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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program i am your host

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chris george zuger and you have entered

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the den of lore please do grab

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yourselves a glass of scotch pull your

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chair up to the fire because we are

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going to learn some really cool [\h__\h]

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tonight courtesy of none other than

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gordon white

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and again this is episode 39 originally

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broadcasting on the 25th of may 2017 uh

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and uh to my writer across the table

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from me is uh not big sexy alex he is

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unfortunately away due to work today um

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and we're starting late because i had

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work today which is still apparently

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ongoing

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uh but across the table is um my a good

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old friend of mine and who's also a fan

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of gordon so i invited him in here uh it

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is a big sexy nico tonight big big sexy

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nico thank you for having me

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let me just uh turn up you make sure you

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you're talking into the front you have

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to turn the microphone a little on that

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side now

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that's better thank you very much and uh

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again uh as we do every single episode

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for your contributions and support um

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gonna turn the webcam on here

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and i'm kind of a little bit off screen

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that is fine if you're listening on

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itunes stitcher google play or

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tune in radio you can't see me anyway so

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that's that is fine now uh ladies and

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gentlemen you're probably wondering why

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i'm wearing my not my usual hat that is

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because the senators are actually

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playing the pittsburgh penguins in game

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seven of the eastern conference final

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four uh the uh nhl

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uh playoffs for you know they're in the

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race for the cup

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and uh they lose whenever i don't wear

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the hat so i'm wearing the hat tonight

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and um again uh crosby if you do listen

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to this or a malkin uh uh uh get [\h__\h]

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uh you whiny bastards

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uh i'm just start starting right out of

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the gate now uh

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normally i'd be going on um you know

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pretty lengthy tirade for this episode

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or for you know for about like half an

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hour on the show but i know that we're

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starting a little late uh but i just

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wanted to let all the listeners out

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there know that we are

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going to be having our sandwich update

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um after the show so after we're done

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talking to gordon stick around uh

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because uh denver michaels will be

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joining us even if i have to corral him

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around from somewhere and we're going to

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get all of these sammich updates uh for

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the send denver michael's a sandwich

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contest which you can go check out at

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denofloor.com the main page scroll right

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to the bottom and uh

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there's an update for there if you want

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all the information as well as the

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information is in the show notes of this

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now for the ladies and gentlemen out

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there i'm going to be introducing our

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guest

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uh and this is somebody i wanted to have

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on the show for quite a while and for at

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least ever since i heard him on uh

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grimerica and i've been uh going through

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his podcast rune soup with with abandon

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uh and this is a gordon white and uh

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gordon how are you doing today

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i'm doing very well thank you for the

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invitation it's it is an absolute

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pleasure and an honor to have you on the

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show as i tell all of our guests but

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especially for you i even put on my

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special vest

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which i know you can't see at the moment

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i can assure you i'm wearing my special

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vest for you

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and for all the uh ladies and gentlemen

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again gordon is australian by birth

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gordon's white family has a strong

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connection to the wider south pacific

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thanks to his grandfather's experience

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and colonial administration in nauru and

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new guinea he spent much of his early

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years exploring and

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divining in micronesia melanesia and

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polynesia gordon first became interested

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in western occultism at the age of 13

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following a series of intense dream

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experiences and this intense this

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interest became a lifelong pursuit his

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esoteric learnings uh leanings found an

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inspirational overlap with his

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exploration of the pacific following the

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publication of graham hancock's classic

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this led him to study doc and to study

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documentary production at a university

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level film an underwater documentary

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about nia madol that is awesome and then

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go on to work for bbc magazine discovery

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channel and news media companies in both

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hemispheres after moving to london he

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of his first three books which were the

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chaos protocols starships and a

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pre-history of the spirit and pieces of

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over the course of his journey gordon

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and ufology which is what we are all

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about here in the den of lore so gordon

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thank you very much for joining us um

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here we have a little bit of technical

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difficulties beforehand and trying to

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is from for many of the podcasts that i

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that i've listened to and maybe you've

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those so i i'd really like to to kind of

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what that experience was like and how

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that kind of opened you up to more of

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are a little bit light on in uh in that

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description which from memory i think i

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i don't recall what actually happened i

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weird and intense uh and you know in the

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intervening several decades it uh it's

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refereeing soccer and stole some

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additional money from my mother's purse

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what we had at the time which was an

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of cigarettes and went and sat in the

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of the nearby

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rugby field and uh and read these books

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that i'd got and smoked and uh that was

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began and i was aware that it was the

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dreams had been odd i had um

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what you might call sort of uh

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hag attack night terror type things as a

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child so in about the six or seven i've

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did include paralysis and that kind of

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thing uh so i'm not sure if it was

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something like that but it was just a

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particularly intense

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dream experience that uh then kind of

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just woke me up and off i went

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and with your esoteric uh leanings you

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you lean more towards the um

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they chaot like the more more the

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magical side like the straight mysticism

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um i i know within my experience i i had

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uh somewhat of a similar

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similar awakening which i think i've

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probably gone into detail on the show on

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several episodes after several glasses

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of scotch um

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but i i want more of the um like the

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practical side

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and it always interested me in terms of

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how that like the practical side i'm

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practicing freemason i'm a 32nd degree

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and i always looked at more of the kind

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of like the magic within oneself and

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trying to kind of improve one's self

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whereas uh at least whenever i've heard

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you talk about magic it's been more of a

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how to try and affect the world around

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practical

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to a certain ext you know you actually

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son of a gun oh there you go

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yeah just like [\h__\h] well there goes my

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argument on that one

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how did you how did you first first get

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like into practicing magic as a whole

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and like what was your kind of entry

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point

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well uh of these sort of ill-gotten

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books that i read as an early teenager

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and they were

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let's be honest they were terrible

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uh the kind of things you can get in

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regional australia in the uh early 90s

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were not very good uh nevertheless uh

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when i had the house to myself um i grew

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up with two brothers in in a family of

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uh

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actively social group so i was on my own

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and uh

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i the i did one of the rituals out of

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one of these terrible books in the uh in

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the front yard uh we lived on a hill

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that kind of overlooked and out towards

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the uh the beach so it's actually quite

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a nice um aspect for it and i arranged

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these stones into a circle and and did

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this summoning and as i was putting

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the stones together and as a sort of

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drew breath to start the invocation

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there was a um rustle in the long grass

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which in australia is a terrifying

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prospect let me just say because

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everything here kills you

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um but there was a rustle in the grass

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and the grass morphed in shape visually

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this wasn't kind of like seeing with

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one's inner eye

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uh morphed kind of like

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in the early predator films where

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predator has the uh that digital

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camouflage thing uh into the shape of

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essentially a little person so some sort

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of fairy thing

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uh and that was that was it for me it

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was off to the races there's something

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about this stuff that works so my first

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experience and it was i was terrified uh

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you know because it's it's interesting

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to

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yes okay this works and yes this is um

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aspects of this have kind of tumbled

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down in different

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forms from at least uh classical

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alexandria

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and all that makes sense but then when

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you actually do it when you actually if

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it's the first time you've ever done

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something that is very much outside

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your

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previous experience and and what is

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generally considered socially acceptable

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it's still an intense uh process to go

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through so i was terrified as i was

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putting these things together and uh and

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that was it for me it it it it wasn't

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anything i invoked

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uh at all like i hadn't even really

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begun i'd arrange the circle but it

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worked

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and

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normally when when somebody's talking

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about like wrestling in the long grass

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and i know in australia you know

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everything yeah pretty much can kill you

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spiders like i can't go visit my sister

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with my wife because she's like there's

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spiders there they're huge and they will

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kill you like don't also the small ones

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kill you it's not just a large one oh

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that that too

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uh mostly mostly around sydney from what

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i can understand melbourne they're kind

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of you know more bogan spiders they're

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you know they make a lot of noise but

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they're not really much trouble

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um

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nowadays it's more like you hear

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wrestling in the grass you're thinking

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[\h__\h] is there a pokemon in there like

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you get your app open you know

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throw a few pokeballs at it

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um if if you're you know like that type

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of summoning it like this is something

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similar to to

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uh like is this something similar to

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like what what king solomon would do

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like in terms of or were you just trying

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to make something appear and it just

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happened

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um that would be that would be really

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nice if it was king solomon it wasn't

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the books i were reading i can't

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actually remember um which but they were

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paperback

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uh wiccan neopagan books that everyone

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tends to begin with that are because

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they're widely available that are

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essentially approaching 100 incorrect

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about their own history and and best

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practice and so on so it would be nice

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to say it was uh something king solomon

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would do but it the only sort of

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solomonic components to it really were

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the use of the circle

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um

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but yeah it was this is this is

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potentially an interesting thing about

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it uh if i look back 20 years later

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after 20 years of um you know

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taking this stuff very seriously

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everyone looks back on their first kind

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of

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experience going hmm

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that could have been a lot better and it

401
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nevertheless worked and it more

402
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interestingly perhaps it worked

403
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accidentally like i wasn't

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i wasn't i'm from i'm quite sure it was

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probably just some sort of

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self-dedication or something like that

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but nevertheless

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um

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it had a it had a manifestation effect

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that i didn't

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deliberately cause with the the use of

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magic but at least the sort of

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um

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[Music]

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embodiment of ritual of just the the

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simple process

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of laying these things out and your your

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initiation like have you been initiated

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into into any uh like magical circles or

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or mystery schools or has your path been

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strictly self-initiation

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well um that's probably where

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initiation and i parted ways um i

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certainly haven't been involved

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officially in any groups uh in in the

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chaos protocols uh i i think

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ritual in in a group sense is either

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um when it's done wrong it's a it's a

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synthetic version of something that

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should

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happen organically

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and if it's done right it's sort of an

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after the fact commemoration of

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something that can't really happen in

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that group setting anyway so one of the

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earlier chapters in chaos protocols is

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called becoming invincible and for me

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the practice of magic is binary um you

439
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have to have an inciting incident that

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is sufficiently extreme

441
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and that can be either good or bad for

442
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you to sort of realize permanently

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uh not that this isn't you know when you

444
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say it's all in your head or you're

445
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imagining it let's leave those

446
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terms undefined because i think that's a

447
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:34,399
cop-out answer anyway but you have to

448
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have an event of that's sufficiently

449
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scream extreme for you to realize that

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uh

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and not what you were told growing up

452
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and magic's binary so once you've once

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you've done that the decision is well do

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i

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choose to explore and

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uh

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and work with this new understanding or

458
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do i not or do i just live in a magical

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universe and neither of those things are

460
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fine it's certainly not for everyone but

461
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for me that everything after that is uh

462
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is qualitatively rather than

463
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it's interesting you say binary because

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when i got into into freemasonry

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originally i i'd always looked at at uh

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you know mysticism whether you're

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talking you know you know esoteric

468
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tradition or whether you're talking

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magic i looked at it from a binary

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standpoint and i you know again i could

471
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be way off and wrong on this and i

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probably i'm still thinking from a

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binary standpoint

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but i always looked at it from or at

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least discovered at one point that it's

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at least from a masonix masonic

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standpoint it's tertiary or or a trinity

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as it were where you've got the

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the you know the rude material that

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you're that you're coming from or you

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know the at least what i what i kind of

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term the chaos

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um that that matter that you're that

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you're starting with and you've you've

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got the

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end point that you're envisioning that

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you want to uh make make the effect

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happen and then you have your own

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intelligent your own intelligence or

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your own self or being to to to carry it

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through from one to the other

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and

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you know the idea that it's that it was

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binary i i realized okay you've got the

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two points you've got your starting

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point and your end point

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but the intelligence to be able to carry

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things through

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that is the third component that at

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least i'd kind of figured out

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or to myself that was necessary is is

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this

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um how what would your kind of opinion

504
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be on on that perspective

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yeah that's perfectly valid uh by binary

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i don't mean the process i don't mean

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the process i mean it's night and day

508
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one day you live in

509
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a materialist universe and then after

510
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whatever particular experience uh you

511
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don't and and you have to have it i've

512
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used this phrase before but i'm going to

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use it again you have to have

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an experience that's sort of

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sufficiently extreme or arresting that

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there's no getting the toothpaste back

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into the tube after that

518
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uh and that's more or less what i mean

519
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by binary what you've described there is

520
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is is a

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is another way of describing

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uh what i'm talking about for me it has

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an unnecessary level of complexity

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because it can be

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um it can be an extreme ufo event um the

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example i use in the book is you can you

527
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know conduct a seance in an abandoned

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mental hospital and uh you you'll know

529
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you're alive when uh when you do

530
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something like that and it is enough to

531
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stay with you for the rest of your life

532
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the the principal goal why it's called

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becoming invincible is

534
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you have to have an experience that

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makes you realize that when your

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physical form ends you don't

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and that changes the game that changes

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the game for how you live the rest of

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your life and it changes the game for

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um how you engage with the rest of your

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life if if you're you know so drawn to

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things like magic

543
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what

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struggling with accepting that the

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universe is not um

546
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as it appears as it seems as we are

547
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as we are taught

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um well it appears magical to me so if

549
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you mean as

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uh as is taught

551
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uh there's as i said there's a number of

552
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ways you can do it um you know um

553
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find yourself a reputable shaman in in

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south america and you can do it that way

555
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,640
you can also and this is a for people

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00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,880
who are more intellectually inclined

557
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,799
you can and this i find interesting from

558
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a pascal's wager perspective and i'll

559
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,679
explain that

560
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,320
uh you can take a week off work and have

561
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,760
and read about five or six different

562
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:25,520
books that kind of

563
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,080
uh explore and summarize the last 120 or

564
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:31,840
years or so of

565
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,000
you know laboratory experiments and and

566
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,559
and psi research and things

567
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:38,559
and processes conducted and observed

568
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,360
under

569
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,840
um rigorous scientific conditions that

570
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,960
show that

571
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,360
side effects are real telepathy works uh

572
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,360
there is some form of after death uh

573
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,120
communication all this kind of stuff is

574
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,600
there available for people to read

575
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,840
and you can just spend a week and

576
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,679
reading these books and just kind of

577
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,080
thinking your way to it and why i call

578
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,320
that a variant of pascal's wager is

579
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,840
pascal

580
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:03,039
uh

581
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,840
was

582
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,360
not trying to work out if he needed to

583
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,880
believe in god and whether it was worth

584
00:20:10,150 --> 00:20:09,120
sacrificing his sundays and uh and this

585
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,160
is sort of a

586
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,679
story

587
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,360
that's tied into the emergence of

588
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,880
probability as a

589
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,440
as a sort of field of mathematics and he

590
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,440
kind of looked at and said well if it's

591
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,640
true

592
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,760
giving up a few sundays for eternal life

593
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:25,919
of bliss it's it's it's the sort of

594
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,120
development of risk analysis uh

595
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,720
if it's true

596
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,559
it's probably worth

597
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,400
going to church on sundays and if it's

598
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,320
not true i'm going to be dead anyway and

599
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:38,400
i won't know but it was that that sort

600
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,400
of realization that uh something

601
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:47,830
that you can kind of approach this

602
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,480
logically and and and come to a reasoned

603
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,880
conclusion i i find fascinating and i i

604
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,799
what potentially is more fascinating

605
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,799
fascinating to me is that more people

606
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,120
won't like honestly can you not take a

607
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,480
week off work

608
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,400
uh you know on your vacation i don't

609
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,320
just mean ring up and call in sick for a

610
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,640
week although you could uh can you not

611
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,080
just take a week off work and read these

612
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,400
books when you consider what the

613
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,320
implications of this information or

614
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,000
these data are

615
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,400
surely that's more important

616
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,320
if if you're working out

617
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,840
the value

618
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,840
of your life and how long you presume

619
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,679
you're going to exist for and and i kind

620
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,760
of give people the bookish option but i

621
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,200
would prefer

622
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,799
because it doesn't go away i would

623
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,120
prefer the other option which is

624
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,400
go and have some sort of extreme

625
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,400
experience and again extreme can be

626
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,159
benign uh but

627
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,039
it needs to be sufficiently potent

628
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,919
i i've heard you speak a lot about um

629
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,400
ufo experiences at least for in certain

630
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,840
podcasts that i've listened to and i

631
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,200
know you've had

632
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,360
a couple of episodes with regards to

633
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,880
uh you know

634
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,640
otherworldly whether it's it's

635
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,120
extraterrestrial or whether it is uh

636
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,440
extra dimensional um

637
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:59,039
you know what what types of experiences

638
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,840
have

639
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,039
like that that's a pretty extreme

640
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,880
experience if you think about it you

641
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,960
know like if uh

642
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,679
for for people who have had had um

643
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,360
you know alien abductions or or if they

644
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,880
dealt with ghosts or if they've dealt

645
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,200
with with some type of you know demonic

646
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,440
presence or or possession

647
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,960
that changes people

648
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,240
um

649
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,679
what what have you

650
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,520
yourself like have you run into anything

651
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,600
yourself as far as like besides the

652
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,320
you're the the one that got you going

653
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,480
like in terms of ufo alien experiences

654
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,440
like what what have you gone through

655
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:33,440
i have not seen any little lights in the

656
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,799
sky or anything um ufo wise i have

657
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,640
certainly seen

658
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,520
uh

659
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,440
entities of different forms physical

660
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600
like the one i described uh australia is

661
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,440
a surprisingly haunted place or

662
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,760
potentially unsurprisingly uh

663
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,990
they're quite extreme and old and

664
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,080
hostile some of these uh beings that you

665
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,840
can encounter

666
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,520
and there are some really scary places i

667
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,720
mean it's the

668
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,760
you know

669
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,679
we have the oldest continually practiced

670
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,039
cultures on earth here and it's the

671
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:05,039
first continent

672
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:06,480
broken away from gondwanaland and so

673
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,760
once so it's uh it's um cthulhu's summer

674
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:12,000
home because it's obviously war from as

675
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,280
well it's it's

676
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,440
intense in that way so

677
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,600
you end up having those kind of uh

678
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,120
regional australian inventors there was

679
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,440
a fascinating one in a friend's house

680
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,640
when we were

681
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,400
growing up and he lived in he lived in a

682
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,400
sort of peninsula that jotted out into a

683
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,480
lake and it was a 120 year old house and

684
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,440
uh we were underage drinking um because

685
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,200
his dog was away

686
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,960
and uh was just sort of i was walking

687
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:36,080
through the house and coming down the

688
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,360
hallway and you turned left to go into

689
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,559
the living room but the hallway kind of

690
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,400
continued on for a part so you sort of

691
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,080
turn left and you see

692
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,159
about a six foot length of hallway out

693
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,840
of the corner of your right eye and then

694
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,679
it stops at a wall and there was this

695
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,679
elongated glowing being that was too

696
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,080
tall for the 120 year old so quite high

697
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,320
ceilings it was sort of hunched over in

698
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,000
the corner there and it was the

699
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,760
culmination of

700
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,679
some very eerie experiences in that

701
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,600
house which my friend never enjoyed

702
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,679
actually living in because it was scary

703
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:06,080
like that and uh so you sometimes you

704
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,280
see them with your naked eye but i've

705
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,080
never had a classic uh ufo experience

706
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,840
and generally the process of magic

707
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,159
particularly in an education sense

708
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,440
requires

709
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,279
you to keep doing something like an

710
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,760
invocation until something shows up and

711
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,360
that can be a

712
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,279
presence in the room as it most commonly

713
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,840
is but it can also be more than that

714
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,600
and what is it about these uh you know

715
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,840
these extreme experiences which

716
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:31,279
which open

717
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,600
gonna say for for some people um one of

718
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,120
the big things with with ufo

719
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,600
experiencers or abduction experiences is

720
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,039
that they

721
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,080
at least either claim or actually become

722
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,559
uh psychic as a result or they they've

723
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:48,159
somehow untapped that part of their

724
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:49,039
their

725
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,919
them to to either foresee or or read

726
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:55,039
thoughts

727
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,240
is is there

728
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,559
a particular

729
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,039
i'm going to want to say uh like

730
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:04,960
mechanism that that it is in play here

731
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,240
presumably uh i i'm not entirely sure uh

732
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,720
you get similar things happening with

733
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,960
those who've experienced near-death

734
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,480
experiences or

735
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,720
or so on uh and it's one of the things

736
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,880
that i mean jacques villa observed from

737
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:20,400
the 60s that

738
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,840
there is a long-term life impact of

739
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,320
people having these ufo experiences that

740
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,840
can that is odds on so more often than

741
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,640
not

742
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,600
actually benign however um or beneficial

743
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:35,760
rather however traumatic the incident

744
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,120
was uh in terms of again coming to these

745
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
realizations that life continues after

746
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:42,559
death or that the human is more than a

747
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,520
um

748
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,000
more than its physical form and so on so

749
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,400
presumably and you can kind of

750
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,480
typologically look back through history

751
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,559
around the world and see similar things

752
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,000
in the role of

753
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,400
you know angelic encounters or

754
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,760
um

755
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,320
spirits or spirit guides or any of that

756
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,440
kind of thing you you find this

757
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,159
encounter with the

758
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,840
other side of what dr kripal might call

759
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,279
the one-way mirror

760
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:12,080
the encounter with that is associated

761
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,120
with

762
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,600
um this sort of

763
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,400
enhanced human capacities and that just

764
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:21,279
appears to be uh baked into the lasagna

765
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,630
sorry you're going to say something nico

766
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,360
i was not i was just giggling

767
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,799
we do that a lot on this show and it's

768
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,159
it's not just because of the scotch i i

769
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,679
swear

770
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,039
with

771
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,559
you know that type of experience opening

772
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,240
people's minds and i know some people

773
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,279
will go

774
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,039
the route of

775
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:43,200
going towards the mysticism and more of

776
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,000
the

777
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,320
you know shamanic style of teachings or

778
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,760
way of life and you've got the other

779
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,080
other side which uh leads people down

780
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,480
that rabbit hole of trying to discover

781
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,480
the lost you know either lost

782
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
civilizations or they just get really

783
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,760
into conspiracy theories

784
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,799
um

785
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,240
what is

786
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,080
kind of your

787
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,799
experience within magic uh

788
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,559
after the fact like you you've been

789
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,640
practicing for for some time or at least

790
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,480
have been interested in it for some time

791
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,679
uh if

792
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,840
you have gone from summoning as your

793
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:15,520
first experience to

794
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,640
the you know the wide range of of uh

795
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,960
experiences you've had now

796
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,640
what what kind of brought you more

797
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,600
towards the the chaos magic side and and

798
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,520
sigils

799
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,559
uh

800
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,799
the chaos magic books the sort of early

801
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,000
ones that uh wisery printed so um pete

802
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,640
carroll's books um lebanon psychonaut

803
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,480
and libra chaos in particular

804
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,440
were readily available so it was

805
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,200
uh when i found them and this was on my

806
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,200
kind of ongoing process once i started

807
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,360
you know after i'd stolen money from my

808
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:48,960
mother to buy the books and got away

809
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,159
with it i did it again and uh

810
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,200
and uh some of these books well pete's

811
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,640
books were some of the earliest ones i

812
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,559
read that i didn't

813
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,080
find to be

814
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,440
confusing boomer hippie nonsense

815
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,440
and uh it was just a good match for me

816
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:08,000
it was the right time i mean chaos magic

817
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,120
was

818
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,039
i guess culturally prominent in the mid

819
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,440
90s uh and so it seemed to be a good

820
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,360
match but

821
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,520
uh if you know anything about pete

822
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,200
carroll you know that he did hard

823
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,600
sciences at university and and so

824
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,840
there's something about that particular

825
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,679
perspective although we don't have at

826
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,440
all because this is chaos magic it's not

827
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:28,880
like we have the same world views but

828
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:32,000
there's something about his attitude and

829
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,039
um

830
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,000
rigor when it comes to getting results

831
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,720
which is the pro of chaos magic as well

832
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:40,159
as its shortcoming

833
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,440
uh

834
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,760
that really resonated so so it's sort of

835
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,440
been baked in

836
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,840
since then uh i mean potentially there's

837
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,520
an aspect if you dance with the one what

838
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,720
brought you

839
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,840
in it but

840
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,279
chaos magic for me has always been the

841
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,799
home base uh

842
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,399
that i think is

843
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,880
best suited and most adequate to

844
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,679
explorations of other forms of magic but

845
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,679
also just other fields of interest as

846
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,279
you mentioned you know quote-unquote

847
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,080
conspiracy theory or ufology or so on a

848
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
chaos magic gives you a nice um and

849
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,200
useful

850
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,799
meta

851
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,360
approach to analyzing different

852
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,799
cosmologies and different metaphysics

853
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,880
and and hopefully being able to separate

854
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,080
out things like data and interpretation

855
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,600
and exactly how does chaos magic work

856
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,960
i don't know

857
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,320
um

858
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:34,080
a better question i should say and it's

859
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,279
probably a very simplistic way of

860
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,320
looking at it uh your standards magic

861
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,480
practices i know that there are you know

862
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,919
you've got your

863
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,120
drawing circles and your your

864
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,480
uh designing

865
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:48,880
uh you know sigils or or larger patterns

866
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,919
on either paper or on a floor or what

867
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:54,240
have you and you know incantations you

868
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,440
you've got your

869
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,880
uh

870
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,279
you know either talismans or

871
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,679
uh you know rituals for for for lack of

872
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,520
a better word

873
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:06,159
where chaos magic i've i've seen it

874
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,520
described and i've had it described on

875
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,760
the show as it's

876
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:10,640
is

877
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,919
essentially magic that you kind of

878
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:16,000
perform ad hoc as needed the way that

879
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,440
you want it to do to be able to create

880
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,880
an effect you kind of like manifest

881
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,960
stuff as you want it doing it the way

882
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,039
that you want which seemed a little bit

883
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,880
open-ended to me but again maybe that

884
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,480
description was wrong

885
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,240
it is um

886
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,520
simple as that uh chaos magic began

887
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,399
through some fairly iconic classic

888
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:35,919
experimentation before the word was

889
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,679
there of uh some british magicians in

890
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,080
uh initially in in northern london and

891
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,039
then in actual northern england uh and

892
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,320
pete

893
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,399
gave it to the term chaos magic because

894
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,720
if you remember james glax book on chaos

895
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,799
mathematics was out at the time and uh

896
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,559
said well we'll just call it this it's

897
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,360
genuinely as arbitrary as that but

898
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,120
what they were attempting to solve and

899
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,200
it's the most boring inside baseball

900
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,679
stuff is the general moribund state of

901
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,120
esotericism

902
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,000
in britain in the early 80s particularly

903
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,720
amongst sort of crolean orders

904
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,360
and so it was an attempt to say well

905
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,120
we have these hypotheses about how this

906
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,000
might work so let's experiment with it

907
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,159
things you don't need initiation

908
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,960
yes or no uh you know can you call these

909
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,320
forms do you have to pronounce them

910
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,720
correctly yes or no can you swap things

911
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,679
out from you know mythological examples

912
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,000
to fictional examples and get it to work

913
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,720
and that was the general idea of it but

914
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,279
the point wasn't you can do whatever you

915
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,960
want whenever you feel like it it's kind

916
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,279
of the opposite chaos magic is

917
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,960
if you don't get the results you have

918
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,039
failed

919
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,360
now it's simple as that and that's good

920
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,760
and bad because honestly um

921
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,559
there are tremendous uh ontological and

922
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,279
epistemological shortcomings to

923
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:57,760
focusing on physical observed results in

924
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,080
in any in any metaphysical field it

925
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,640
it works it's about it's necessary but

926
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:05,919
not sufficient

927
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,310
value or

928
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,519
ascertain

929
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,159
success or not in in any kind of

930
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,559
endeavor but nevertheless it's there and

931
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,240
so doing whatever you want whenever you

932
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,080
feel like it probably doesn't work as

933
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,799
well as systematically examining and

934
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,519
trialing different components of

935
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,600
magical praxis to see which ones are

936
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,440
potentially redundant and which ones

937
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,000
aren't and that in the 90s when it kind

938
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,159
of got away from its creators and got

939
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,840
caught up in culture and had its

940
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,000
american period um that's when that

941
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,919
happened this kind of you can do

942
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,399
anything it's the sort of phase two

943
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,519
of chaos magic with the the sort of

944
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,000
rise of internet relay chat and and kind

945
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,760
of dial up and let's all explore

946
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,919
different things it's

947
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,480
it went decidedly too far

948
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,320
in that direction and kind of

949
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,559
collapsed into a mess and what's what's

950
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,200
happened i would say over the last five

951
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,000
or so years is a is a recognition that

952
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,440
yes if you do things if you swap out

953
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:08,840
apollo for

954
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,960
superman uh in in some kind of you know

955
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,640
solar right

956
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,399
you will have at least psychological

957
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,559
effects um from it

958
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,519
but it works better if you use apollo

959
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,120
why is it a very interesting question

960
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:24,720
that i didn't have an answer for and so

961
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,430
based on that same chaos magic world

962
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,760
view which is is it does it work and

963
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,799
will it get better or can i improve this

964
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,039
it appears that some of these older more

965
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:41,279
conserved forms as in conserved through

966
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,320
time

967
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,120
um have probably been conserved for a

968
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:47,200
reason which is that they work better

969
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,480
and that's kind of where it's at at the

970
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,159
moment so it's uh

971
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,000
it's not necessarily a wandering off

972
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:54,880
into uh into popular culture especially

973
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,559
right now when popular culture is [\h__\h]

974
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,360
um yeah it's it's it's a focus on that

975
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,679
yeah it's it's a focus on which things

976
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,919
and it's it's a singular focus you can't

977
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,840
hide in the mysticism which you can in a

978
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,960
lot of other

979
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,480
magical

980
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,800
practices if you set out to do something

981
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,280
and you don't get it you failed that's

982
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,800
it's as simple as that

983
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,760
and uh and that's really that's kind of

984
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,839
pete's core philosophy and it's

985
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,679
it's stark i was going to say grim it's

986
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,359
not grim it's stuck

987
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,879
but uh

988
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,560
for me that's the core of chaos magic

989
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,240
and i've always liked that because it's

990
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,839
kept me sane

991
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,520
even though i realized it is as i said

992
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,720
before necessary but insufficient

993
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,760
um

994
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:40,240
you can't you can't run your entire

995
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,639
personal metaphysics on on that um

996
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,879
on that sort of practical outcome basis

997
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,679
but you also can't hide your failures

998
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,240
and that's a really good

999
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,560
uh thing to keep intention

1000
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,359
and

1001
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,960
is there any relation to like chaos

1002
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,839
theory with mathematics with regards to

1003
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,240
dynamic systems and and how they're

1004
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,119
you know and and how they are

1005
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:07,200
kind of susceptible to just outside

1006
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,720
forces within this or outside the system

1007
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,390
yes and no mostly no as as because i

1008
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:18,079
asked pete directly like you know where

1009
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,280
did it come from when he said i was

1010
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,280
reading james glaik's book chaos magic

1011
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:23,040
and i like the idea and i like that

1012
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,000
model

1013
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,640
um and it's a really it is a kind of 80s

1014
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,720
early computing model

1015
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,240
but that's where the term came from so

1016
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,880
in that sense it is i have in some

1017
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,599
respects stuck with it i've like i mean

1018
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:37,440
my as you kind of mentioned at the top

1019
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,119
of the show um my real career

1020
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,240
was around demography and data analysis

1021
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,920
and so on within a media context so

1022
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,000
that's always just really resonated with

1023
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,640
me so it's there for me i like that

1024
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,760
um

1025
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,400
i like nassim taleb's work and and that

1026
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,000
kind of thing rather than maybe the kind

1027
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,320
of jurassic park chaos magic which

1028
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,760
obviously i love because jurassic park

1029
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,800
is amazing but uh but rather than that

1030
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:03,760
it's

1031
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,040
there is still that need for

1032
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,920
can you optimize analysis and worldview

1033
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,520
and and the best tools we have for that

1034
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,359
at the moment are

1035
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:15,599
in that kind of um stochastic

1036
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,950
as for as far as world view like you're

1037
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,800
you're talking about interrelationship

1038
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,880
are you talking about you know

1039
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,200
interpersonal is it more of just a

1040
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,200
kind of the the grand energy wave that

1041
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,880
is apparently supposed to surround us

1042
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,320
and binds us together like the forest

1043
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,400
type of thing

1044
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:35,520
it's

1045
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,119
these are

1046
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,599
uh quantifiable ways of

1047
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,560
interrogating reality uh and and

1048
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,119
fields like economics are

1049
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,040
night and day different and history is a

1050
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,880
good example really any field that

1051
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,359
relies on

1052
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,520
large volumes of data if you haven't

1053
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,599
looked at it in the last 15 years is

1054
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:01,040
completely different

1055
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,400
and uh and

1056
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,480
obviously a lot of the

1057
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:06,800
maybe more prominent

1058
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,119
world views in the magical space uh 19th

1059
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,359
century so they haven't looked at it

1060
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,680
there weren't computers in the 19th

1061
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,040
century uh

1062
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,520
and so that's more what it's about it's

1063
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,200
again kind of finding those tools

1064
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,440
there's the what comes with the

1065
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,079
no excuses well actually failure is fine

1066
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,680
but like what comes with the don't hide

1067
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:29,440
your failures

1068
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,960
attitude is uh is a willingness to

1069
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,280
further optimize and find the best tool

1070
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,880
in in pieces of eight

1071
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:38,640
i uh

1072
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,599
i describe chaos magic as a

1073
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,480
world view optimized for optimization

1074
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,640
and uh if you take it too far it kind of

1075
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,320
is that uh and again that's what i mean

1076
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,920
by it's shortcoming that's not a very

1077
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:51,040
good

1078
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,280
macro world view if you're trying to

1079
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,960
you know comfort someone whose husband's

1080
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,119
just died but uh it's it's a very useful

1081
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,800
way of of being in the world if you're

1082
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,320
interested in changing it

1083
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,839
and how would something like this be

1084
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,359
used and i'm thinking of my mother with

1085
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,640
this one because i know i know that she

1086
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,320
occasionally goes to you know like well

1087
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,599
we'll go to uh the the local uh casino

1088
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
slash gaming

1089
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,359
uh emporium that uh is near their house

1090
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,440
and she will try slot machines

1091
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,880
and i know that with slot machines a lot

1092
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,200
of it is it's random it's rng it's

1093
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,960
random number generation

1094
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,160
and

1095
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,640
there can be a lot of

1096
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,920
it's a lot well it's a lot of chance

1097
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,200
because it's random numbers but at the

1098
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,160
same time it is a matter of being able

1099
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,560
to focus on the system or focus on the

1100
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,440
forces at hand to be able to

1101
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,599
affect that change at that kind of level

1102
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,440
like how effective would it be like i'm

1103
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:42,960
just using this as an example how would

1104
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,839
effective would it be at that at that

1105
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,440
level and how could something like that

1106
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,280
be applied and no i'm not doing this so

1107
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:51,839
i can gamble that would be well um let's

1108
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,359
assume there's a 1 in 128 000 chance

1109
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,280
that your mother's gonna get

1110
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,560
the the largest amount the 50 000

1111
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,839
um

1112
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:03,599
you know payout

1113
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,040
um she can apply practical magic in in

1114
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,320
whatever forms she would like to

1115
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:12,240
reduce those odds but if she reduces

1116
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,480
them from a 1 in 128 000 to 1 in 50 000

1117
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,800
she's very good at magic and is still

1118
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,960
wasting her money

1119
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,880
uh because you just dropped it down to

1120
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,200
one in in 50 000 chance there's a way of

1121
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,960
looking at magic as a practical

1122
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,560
enchantment at least as a form of

1123
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,960
probability enhancement that is very

1124
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,320
useful for

1125
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,480
if not explaining failure then modeling

1126
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,280
it which is the suggestion that it

1127
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,720
always works every single time it works

1128
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,839
it works in reducing the uh well in

1129
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,960
increasing the uh likelihood of your

1130
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:48,720
preferred outcome but if you're

1131
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,560
increasing from 128 000 to 150 000 your

1132
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:54,400
problem isn't with the application of

1133
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,839
practical enchantment it's with your

1134
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:57,280
target selection

1135
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,160
so

1136
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,480
that is one of the kind of things you

1137
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,000
can

1138
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,400
extract from i guess a

1139
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,720
a world view that relies or not relies

1140
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,960
on but is informed by probabilistic

1141
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,440
analysis okay i think i've got a pretty

1142
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:13,200
good uh pretty good pretty good grasp on

1143
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,000
that

1144
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,440
uh

1145
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,520
i'm trying to think like there's

1146
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,040
there's even a chance the way that

1147
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,400
you're explaining it that i've probably

1148
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,240
done it myself without necessarily

1149
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:24,960
realizing it or do you have to actively

1150
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,640
be attempting to apply it to the

1151
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,640
the target that you're you're trying to

1152
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,079
affect

1153
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,320
no i think everyone's doing it um every

1154
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,839
second of the day

1155
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,520
asleep and awake i think there is

1156
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,520
something about and this is more or less

1157
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,200
observed in in physics but there is

1158
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,880
something about the operation of human

1159
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,960
consciousness that is fundamentally tied

1160
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:46,000
to

1161
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,119
the uh

1162
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,240
the emergence of of uh

1163
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,960
reliable physical molecules from an

1164
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,520
unreliable quantum state that's uh i

1165
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,040
think people are doing it all the time

1166
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,680
i've previously described magic as a

1167
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,400
culture-specific way of exploring

1168
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,720
um naturally occurring consciousness

1169
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,400
effects within humans and i think that's

1170
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,960
reasonable and i think um that kind of

1171
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,760
goes alongside a probabilistic analysis

1172
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,680
which is that i think we do it i think

1173
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,400
everyone does it all the time and magic

1174
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,119
is a culture-specific way of uh leaning

1175
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,480
into that

1176
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,200
or to those naturally occurring um

1177
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,960
facets of human consciousness so you

1178
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,920
would say that this is maybe um a way of

1179
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,720
amplifying one's will or intention

1180
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,720
i don't like the will word because i

1181
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,920
don't think you will um molecules into

1182
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,240
being uh i think

1183
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,800
how i i i don't think the trouble with

1184
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,200
those words is that they emerge from

1185
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,280
uh world views that separate mind and

1186
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,400
matter in ways that i'm i i think is uh

1187
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,440
philosophically extremely naive uh it's

1188
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,280
it's probably better to say it i don't

1189
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,640
know how

1190
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,280
human consciousness and

1191
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,079
reality are

1192
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,640
either the same thing or

1193
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,640
involved with each other

1194
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,560
but they are and if we start to get to

1195
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,079
that kind of imposition of will you're

1196
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,520
back into this kind of 19th century um

1197
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,640
kind of

1198
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,720
boy magic crowleyish

1199
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,640
way of doing things which was sufficient

1200
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,720
for a time but again is is

1201
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,560
insufficient for

1202
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,920
kind of what we understand about the

1203
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,680
universe all those ideas emerged you

1204
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,280
know long before things like quantum

1205
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,640
physics or even

1206
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,359
worthwhile uh psychology and psychiatry

1207
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,839
and and everything else there are there

1208
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,640
are better ways of reorganizing

1209
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,440
updated pools of information into i what

1210
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:39,119
i consider to be a more

1211
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,990
and how does this like this sounds a

1212
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,000
little bit like uh like quantum uh you

1213
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,280
know like quantum physics or you know

1214
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,880
kind of the spooky effect

1215
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,160
with uh

1216
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,839
uh you know if we're able to kind of

1217
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:57,119
affect uh a an experiment that if we're

1218
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,319
observing it it's going to give one

1219
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,760
result if we're not observing it it's

1220
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,520
giving a different result

1221
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,200
you know that sounds very similar to

1222
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,680
that same realm of physics which you

1223
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,359
know einstein kind of freaked out about

1224
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,680
because well as he said god doesn't play

1225
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:11,200
dice for the universe

1226
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,309
he was wrong about a lot of stuff he

1227
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,079
also just declared by fiat that the

1228
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,400
ether didn't exist and i think that was

1229
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:24,240
a disastrous

1230
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,119
um

1231
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,240
disastrous mistake and and a lot of deep

1232
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,079
state technology has been hidden behind

1233
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,040
that idiotic curtain it is um to go back

1234
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,400
to what you were saying about the

1235
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,960
quantum observation experiments they are

1236
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,960
a subset of

1237
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,359
what we're talking about here because

1238
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,520
one they're they're observable so yes

1239
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,960
they're correct but what has

1240
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,880
historically happened in the last 30

1241
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,599
years is people have used that to

1242
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,680
explain magic and it's not they're what

1243
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:52,720
we're dealing with and that kind of

1244
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,319
blind men in the elephant way is

1245
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,880
telepathy and psychokinesis and other

1246
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,200
psy results and

1247
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,200
you know group mental intention effects

1248
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,520
on random number generators are all

1249
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,920
blind men in addition to the blind man

1250
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,240
that is the quantum observation ex

1251
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,480
experiments on this kind of elephant

1252
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,800
which is that mysterious way human

1253
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,480
consciousness and

1254
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,400
observable reality are either the same

1255
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,200
thing or intertwined

1256
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,800
and if we're talking about that to that

1257
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,319
type of intertwining uh is this

1258
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,440
something like this is something that

1259
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,599
we've been had in culture for

1260
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,200
for tens if not hundreds of hundreds of

1261
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,880
thousands of years

1262
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,680
yeah absolutely it's um if you look at

1263
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,599
it kind of coming back to the earlier

1264
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,839
point um or question that nico posed

1265
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,280
like

1266
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:41,280
uh

1267
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,160
so

1268
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:45,599
even in even in europe and north america

1269
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,200
now a majority of people still will we

1270
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,960
can bundle into

1271
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,520
at least spiritual if not deliberately

1272
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,560
religious

1273
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,760
so

1274
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:58,160
we're dealing with a minority of what is

1275
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,680
between five and ten percent of the

1276
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,440
population thinking that the only things

1277
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,599
that exist are physical

1278
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,119
so it's this kind of

1279
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,960
mental illness that affects a small

1280
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,599
fraction of the population over only the

1281
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,880
last

1282
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,119
handful of decades

1283
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,359
but the rest of the world

1284
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,599
through all of human time

1285
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,119
didn't think that

1286
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,640
and for some reason largely thanks to

1287
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,359
you know how how media and so on

1288
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,640
operates that we've assumed that this

1289
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,560
mental illness that affects a minority

1290
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:32,880
of the contemporary population

1291
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,400
is the real thing and 95 mankind for all

1292
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,880
of human history are deluded even though

1293
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,160
even

1294
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,560
and within that subset um these people

1295
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,560
are having experiences that they can't

1296
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,200
properly explain so

1297
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,640
yes uh

1298
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,640
i this is why you kind of have to have a

1299
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,040
wider definition of magic is that

1300
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,200
um exploration culture-specific

1301
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,800
exploration of naturally occurring

1302
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:58,480
consciousness effects because everyone

1303
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,280
else

1304
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,119
forever

1305
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,040
the idea that you could you know pull

1306
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,720
someone out of uh

1307
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,480
out of a tribe in africa or go and get a

1308
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:08,240
malaysian grandmother and have them sit

1309
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,960
down

1310
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,960
uh and have someone like sam harris with

1311
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,880
a straight face tell them that uh

1312
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,119
everything like you're just a bundle of

1313
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,640
atoms and your consciousness is an

1314
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:18,800
illusion it's like who is this lunatic

1315
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,270
and that's essentially where you once

1316
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,960
you've had that becoming invincible

1317
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,480
experience they're they're

1318
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,319
really really small and you can kind of

1319
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,720
up into a shot glass and and uh and and

1320
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,760
cover them with it and then they just

1321
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,440
start to squeak oh yeah like they're

1322
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,760
becoming you know invincible where

1323
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,440
everyone has it at some point for some

1324
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,119
reason guys always think they have it

1325
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
when they're like 22 if they've had a

1326
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,720
lot to drink at the bar then like you

1327
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,160
know they've had like five shots at the

1328
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,480
kids i'm like i could destroy everything

1329
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,839
and then some bouncers just kicking

1330
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,680
their head in outside the club like five

1331
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,960
minutes later

1332
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,359
and then you get guys who they just all

1333
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,359
of a sudden get into this flow and they

1334
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,040
can you know everything works for them

1335
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,440
you know it's like the uh uh the the

1336
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:03,359
fonzie effect where you know you're

1337
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,240
you're just

1338
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,000
so cool and so hip and just so right in

1339
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,280
the way that you can just like walk up

1340
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,359
to a jukebox and just hit it and get it

1341
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,640
working again and that's it

1342
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,720
well flow's interesting isn't it because

1343
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,359
we have all these um

1344
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:19,280
pseudo-scientific

1345
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,200
uh vox and salon style articles

1346
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,880
about how it works in a corporate

1347
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,040
setting or in an athletic setting

1348
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,800
and these aren't

1349
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,200
these aren't good explanations for a

1350
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,280
thing that is it's not only observed but

1351
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,680
it's probably associated i would suggest

1352
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:36,480
with

1353
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,560
the emergence of of hunting amongst

1354
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,760
humans half uh 500 000 years ago

1355
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,240
it's that same idea of being fully

1356
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,079
present and it's a consciousness effect

1357
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,640
fully present in such a way that you and

1358
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,319
the universe are

1359
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,760
rowing in the right direction in

1360
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,040
complete sync

1361
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,280
and uh but if you try to look at the

1362
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,040
garbled moronic

1363
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,040
explanations for how that might work

1364
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,640
with the kind of pseudoscience that

1365
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,920
sounds like

1366
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,240
um people are talking about floggistan

1367
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,480
or humors or the kind of ways that it's

1368
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,000
described on

1369
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,760
google campuses the same thing with

1370
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:11,200
mindfulness meditation you look at and

1371
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:11,920
go

1372
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,119
this this stuff you're saying is is less

1373
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,880
scientific than jules verne and

1374
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,119
but nevertheless the underlying effects

1375
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,880
are there and and that's where we're

1376
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,359
kind of in a situation of having

1377
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,119
like a fairly serious worldview

1378
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,640
dysfunction

1379
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:31,119
going on at the same time as as the sort

1380
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,710
well that's one of the interesting parts

1381
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,119
that i've found with with a lot of you

1382
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,800
know experts and researchers like we've

1383
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:43,359
had uh ross hamilton on the show

1384
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,270
back in it was episode nine so we're

1385
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,480
we're talking like within the first two

1386
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,760
months of the show

1387
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,319
and you know he he was mentioning that

1388
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,480
that the kind of the spiritual center of

1389
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,880
the world shifts from

1390
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,240
you know from either from civilization

1391
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,720
to civilization or epoch to epoch

1392
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,040
and like right now it's it's currently

1393
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,200
you know sitting in india uh and it's

1394
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,559
been in other parts of the world but you

1395
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:10,079
know it's been

1396
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,119
apparently the idea is that it's

1397
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,559
supposed to be shifting back here

1398
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,640
towards north america at some point and

1399
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,400
i i could see there are a lot of people

1400
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,000
who who are either waking up or they're

1401
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,520
becoming a lot more aware of themselves

1402
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,119
in the world around them on a

1403
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,400
fundamental

1404
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,559
and positive positive spiritual level

1405
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,720
like you know not not in a dogmatic

1406
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,520
sense

1407
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,520
but they're at least starting to

1408
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,400
understand

1409
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,440
things that have been taught in in era's

1410
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,319
past

1411
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,480
and of course at the same time the rest

1412
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,839
of the world around them is is just

1413
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,760
going to absolute [\h__\h]

1414
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,440
as we've you know we're seeing so you

1415
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,200
know south of the border from

1416
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,280
i'm in canada like we get

1417
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,720
shit's kind of crazy here but not really

1418
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,800
that crazy in the states shit's crazy

1419
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:51,119
like very crazy and

1420
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,240
there is that

1421
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,920
dichotomy where you've got the more most

1422
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,359
amount of people

1423
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,520
who are looking at things from an

1424
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:00,160
alternatively spiritual sense

1425
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,520
than pretty much at any other point in

1426
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,119
history within the us

1427
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,640
and at the same time you've got the the

1428
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,319
largest amount of

1429
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,480
um over you know general chaos that's

1430
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,680
happening at the exact same time so

1431
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,760
how how how do we

1432
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,079
or at least in in your view like what's

1433
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,599
the way to kind of bridge the gap or at

1434
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,079
least have the the positive take over

1435
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,920
the the current um you know the current

1436
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,839
descent into entropy

1437
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,400
i don't think it does i think uh

1438
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:28,160
um i think we're just in one of those

1439
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,119
sort of

1440
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,640
uh we're in an interregnum it's you know

1441
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,280
america is

1442
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,079
not doing a very good job of of moving

1443
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,720
into a multipolar world from a unipolar

1444
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,520
one um the last empire

1445
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,000
did a better job of it at least in terms

1446
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,319
of uh the medium-term success for

1447
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,079
britain as a country

1448
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,319
um we're just not we're not there you're

1449
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,400
correct that um and it it's it's

1450
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,839
actually a pete carroll observation from

1451
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,160
the 80s as well but it works here there

1452
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,480
are more people there are more

1453
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,640
sorcerers alive today

1454
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,960
on a nominal basis than there ever have

1455
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,240
been in history just because there are

1456
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,480
so many people on the planet but this is

1457
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,680
what happens when you get um you know

1458
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:13,839
literally chaos but

1459
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,960
world views in a state of uh of collapse

1460
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,119
and and composting which the materialist

1461
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,000
worldview the neoliberal worldview the

1462
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,559
fundamental promises of a kind of

1463
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,040
boomer-based capitalist civilization are

1464
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,040
all ending and not ending very

1465
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,680
gracefully and it's in that period that

1466
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,599
you get

1467
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,160
all these kind of alternative ladies

1468
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,000
during you know the last days of the

1469
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,680
roman empire or the fall of rome the

1470
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,559
city was lousy with soothsayers and and

1471
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,400
wizards and and so on and you got the

1472
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,480
same thing with the kind of

1473
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,359
uh

1474
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,760
after the death of victoria in london at

1475
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,440
what was the peak before the sort of

1476
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,920
dramatic fall in in um

1477
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,280
in terms of the scope of the british

1478
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,359
empire it's just what happens we're in

1479
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,839
one of those moments so i don't know if

1480
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,599
uh

1481
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,160
i don't know how

1482
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,640
involved

1483
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,440
humans really are in the kind of big

1484
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,599
turning points in human history i've

1485
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,800
been talking about on the blog for years

1486
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,040
uh psychoanalysis and

1487
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,480
one of my favorite economists tyler

1488
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,559
cohen uh wrote a book out this year in

1489
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,839
which he said

1490
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:23,119
uh and this is kind of coming back to

1491
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,000
what i was talking about about the

1492
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,559
impact of computing

1493
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,119
it is essentially now looking like a

1494
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,000
cycles model is the best explanation for

1495
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,200
history rather than a kind of positivist

1496
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,119
progressive one which we kind of went

1497
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,800
with in the 20th century that turned out

1498
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,160
to be wrong

1499
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,640
and and and that is a

1500
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,480
i mean i i'm glad he got there i got

1501
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,480
there before him yeah

1502
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,720
but that is

1503
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,520
he he arrived at that opinion from

1504
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,440
looking at the data and like we're just

1505
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,800
in one of those turning points we're

1506
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,079
just in a uh this is how this is the

1507
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,520
implication of a cycles model and and

1508
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:03,280
the question isn't oh how do we steer it

1509
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,480
and make it better or how do we make

1510
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,319
sure the good guys win

1511
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,319
this too shall pass is is sort of a

1512
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,760
better way of

1513
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,920
of uh of looking at the world it's not

1514
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,760
an excuse for an action it's it's the

1515
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,880
opposite

1516
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:17,119
um it is

1517
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:18,200
a

1518
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,599
i've uh

1519
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,319
i'm not sure how much travel you've done

1520
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:38,240
around europe or between north america

1521
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:40,839
and and europe but i've taken a trip to

1522
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,480
portugal and we float we flew air morocc

1523
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,240
which is um

1524
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,800
let's just say the food's not very good

1525
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,880
uh it's it's okay but you know you get

1526
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,640
that okay if the plane's going good

1527
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,000
you're you know you you can change out

1528
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,680
that i'm making yes nico i know you're

1529
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:56,880
looking at me strange but i'm making a

1530
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,800
good analogy here just let me work it uh

1531
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,880
if there was turbulence in the plane i

1532
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,480
was [\h__\h] my pants

1533
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,720
and it happened over the atlantic a

1534
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,960
little more than i actually cared to

1535
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:11,119
have even though it was clear skies

1536
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:12,319
um

1537
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:13,280
the

1538
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,599
so and i've been on some flights i think

1539
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,680
it was one from air canada again never

1540
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,520
fly out canada they're horrible

1541
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,359
where they're serving drinks while the

1542
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,119
plane's pitching 15 degrees in either

1543
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,640
direction up and down and you know

1544
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,720
dropping a couple hundred feet

1545
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,599
in in in bad weather

1546
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,800
and they're like oh you know they're

1547
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,559
asking you all these options and all of

1548
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,440
these

1549
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,119
uh you know they're trying to make you

1550
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,119
have choice where

1551
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,640
you're you're kind of worrying about is

1552
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,559
is the plane gonna you know is it gonna

1553
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,400
make it there or you know am i gonna

1554
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,839
have some life-altering some

1555
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,119
life-altering

1556
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,680
things happen in in the short order

1557
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,680
and i'm seeing in the states that you've

1558
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:56,160
got a lot of individuals who

1559
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,359
are

1560
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,960
currently within that same kind of

1561
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,119
sphere where they're trying to make

1562
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:03,680
life choices but everything around them

1563
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,599
has been changing so much and

1564
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,240
you know how how like for instance uh

1565
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,599
health health care is changing there so

1566
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,520
you've got individuals who are trying to

1567
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,440
make health care long-term choices for

1568
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:18,000
their finances in addition to for the to

1569
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,520
you know for the care of their children

1570
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,040
there's a very good chance in in 10

1571
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,440
years they won't have insurance

1572
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,520
um or you know in the next five years

1573
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:27,040
they won't have insurance

1574
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,839
so

1575
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,480
supposed to make that type of

1576
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,680
intelligence

1577
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,599
uh choice for their own life or for the

1578
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,680
lives of their loved ones when

1579
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,240
there's so much chaos going around

1580
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,440
or

1581
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,960
yeah yeah well no it's a very good

1582
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:41,760
question

1583
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,280
step one is to realize that the world

1584
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,599
views that are on offer are ending

1585
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,839
because it's not just the the healthcare

1586
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,640
example is a very good one uh

1587
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:56,960
the idea i didn't think it was possible

1588
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,160
to make obamacare worse but uh

1589
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,000
apparently they found a way right

1590
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,079
because we're in the situation where

1591
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,440
because the um the replacement for it

1592
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,280
is so bad

1593
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,040
people think ah we should have kept

1594
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
obamacare and i'm like no you know most

1595
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,119
of uh i think it's most of mississippi

1596
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,880
has no

1597
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,599
uh insurers in the exchange like both of

1598
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,680
these things are different kinds of

1599
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,559
wrong

1600
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,559
and it kind of comes back to the to the

1601
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:27,200
plain analogy which is

1602
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:28,480
i

1603
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,720
um health and healthcare

1604
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,960
rather than kind of picking which do i

1605
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,880
want the fish or the chicken as this

1606
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,000
whole thing's going to collapse because

1607
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,000
it will and i actually think in the u.s

1608
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,880
they will end up with single-payer

1609
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,720
probably in the next five years so it i

1610
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,319
don't mean it in a facetious way to say

1611
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,799
please dear americans just don't die in

1612
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,799
the next five years because underneath

1613
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,480
that once you once you've allegedly

1614
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,000
solved healthcare so if you have

1615
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,359
something like

1616
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,599
for all its many flaws the nhs like

1617
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,119
britain has

1618
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,559
you're still stuck with a with a

1619
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,799
worldview a medical worldview that is

1620
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,160
hugely dysfunctional as far as i'm

1621
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:13,920
concerned to say the least the you know

1622
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,040
the um the millions of people that are

1623
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,599
damaged by um different medicines and

1624
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,400
inoculations and and and um all this

1625
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:24,079
kind of stuff the fundamental model

1626
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,200
there is wrong

1627
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,680
psychiatrically surgically uh when it

1628
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,440
comes to the treatment of children like

1629
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,119
some really bad stuff is going on there

1630
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,599
so making it free we're not necessarily

1631
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,920
free but taxpayer funded doesn't solve

1632
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,240
the underlying premise which is that

1633
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,599
medicine

1634
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,480
is is a dysfunctional worldview uh

1635
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,799
because it's a materialist one and yet

1636
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,799
at the same time as the collapse in in

1637
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,200
the kind of private healthcare industry

1638
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,640
not really collapsing they're actually

1639
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:52,160
ludicrously profitable but let's say the

1640
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,599
collapse and affordability of the

1641
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,680
private health care industry

1642
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,480
in the us you also have state after

1643
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,799
state after state uh legalizing

1644
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,599
marijuana you have access to all

1645
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,599
these different things that you know

1646
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,960
you'd be familiar you're canadians with

1647
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,040
rick simpson um there are opportunities

1648
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,920
to potentially cure cancer for like

1649
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,200
legally

1650
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,119
uh at the same time that cancer

1651
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,559
treatments are now profoundly

1652
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,760
unaffordable and this is the kind of

1653
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,880
uh cycles model understanding that we

1654
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,119
need to think about which isn't

1655
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,280
isn't a small one like this kind of left

1656
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,720
right uh

1657
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,359
neither of these ideas are uh

1658
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,200
are useful because they essentially

1659
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,400
emerge out of 19th century uh arguments

1660
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,000
about how to organize an industrial

1661
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,319
economy the idea that if you just pick

1662
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,760
oh we'll pick the left one this time or

1663
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,040
the right one

1664
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,960
it's not it's not sufficient for for

1665
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,880
what's coming and weirdly magic's very

1666
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:49,119
good at that magic is kind of omnivorous

1667
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,200
and uh ravenous when it comes to

1668
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,040
incorporating additional world views

1669
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:56,799
that i think quite simply are a better

1670
00:59:01,349 --> 00:59:00,240
match for more chaotic times

1671
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,359
nico did you have anything to add to

1672
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,720
that one uh no please continue okay well

1673
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,559
um

1674
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:07,599
with

1675
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,720
like we in canada we have uh uh

1676
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,480
like we've got single single-payer it's

1677
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,680
government healthcare it's all done by

1678
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,880
province it's

1679
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,240
paid into by the government but the

1680
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,680
province takes care of it i know in

1681
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,200
australia it's essentially the same

1682
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,559
thing

1683
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,400
we i think in ontario are going to start

1684
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:27,030
for a boon to the pharmaceutical

1685
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,319
companies

1686
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,319
um we're going to start having uh

1687
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,200
pharmaceuticals up to 25 i believe which

1688
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,640
is going to be provided and paid for by

1689
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,760
the government

1690
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
which you know to a certain extent is is

1691
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,440
great if there are certain

1692
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,960
pharmaceuticals out there and you know

1693
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,000
people people are going to bash the

1694
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:44,079
pharmaceutical companies and yeah a lot

1695
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,520
of there's a lot of [\h__\h] that they do

1696
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,280
that's that's pure evil

1697
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,760
um and profit driven which

1698
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,119
they're they're a business but still at

1699
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:53,359
the same time people depend on this

1700
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:54,160
stuff

1701
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:55,119
um

1702
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,480
but you know there are a lot of drugs

1703
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,200
out there that are beneficial to people

1704
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,119
uh such as

1705
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,720
well aids aids medication if not

1706
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,720
mistaken which can extend people's lives

1707
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:06,079
by decades

1708
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:07,040
uh

1709
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,150
right now

1710
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,920
yeah yeah that's the point the majority

1711
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,200
of them like

1712
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,359
there are worldview dysfunctions here

1713
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,640
and i don't know how many people need

1714
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,319
the aids medication like i'm not saying

1715
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:22,000
don't have it what i mean is

1716
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,200
um

1717
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,880
yogurt and funny enough i just want to

1718
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,480
interrupt there because when people look

1719
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,079
at britain when the americans look at

1720
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,000
britain and the nhs as if there's some

1721
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,520
so there is any such thing as

1722
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,280
government-funded health care there

1723
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:36,079
isn't what happens there is that instead

1724
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,960
of you

1725
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,400
keeping money

1726
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,200
for yourself and and giving it to big

1727
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,440
farmer what happens is your tax money

1728
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,440
money goes in the front door of the

1729
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,720
hospital and out the back door into the

1730
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,640
big pharma companies there it's to say

1731
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,520
like they get paid

1732
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,119
it's the same and and that's kind of

1733
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,280
what i was implying with the that there

1734
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:59,200
is a hugely dysfunctional world view

1735
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,000
here

1736
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,880
uh and a hugely dysfunctional kind of

1737
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,480
medical economy

1738
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,000
um and

1739
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,400
yeah anyway sorry continue because this

1740
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,960
is australia is the same you you kind of

1741
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,000
can't

1742
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,319
get away from the fact that

1743
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:16,720
we are over medicated we are medicated

1744
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,559
with extremely damaging things uh

1745
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,599
what is it 85 percent for america u.s

1746
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,720
has five percent of the world's

1747
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,359
population and consumes 85 of its

1748
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,200
psychotropic painkillers like its

1749
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:31,040
prescription painkillers they're not

1750
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,319
that sick

1751
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,160
uh that's

1752
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:36,559
it's as simple as that but uh and and

1753
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,480
you we can't everyone will always

1754
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,720
either know or be the exception to the

1755
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,480
rule like oh but i have this condition

1756
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,910
do you you know

1757
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:52,160
i can't argue with the numbers here i

1758
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,200
can't argue with the fact that the

1759
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,839
reason things like the tpp wanted to

1760
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,920
export the american model of healthcare

1761
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,200
to the world

1762
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,160
is that um

1763
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,200
over medicating america was very very

1764
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,960
profitable

1765
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,480
and there's the other 95 of the

1766
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,319
population waiting and uh and this is

1767
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,920
the kind of stuff i feel quite strongly

1768
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,440
about because

1769
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,200
health is one of those things the buddha

1770
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,880
said this but like health is one of

1771
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,640
those things he didn't quite say like

1772
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,599
this uh that you can't avoid like you

1773
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,359
there's no such thing you can't not take

1774
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,880
a position on health

1775
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,960
uh and and the idea that taking a

1776
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,720
position on health is the is the

1777
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,319
equivalent to

1778
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,440
um being in favor of the least worst

1779
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,119
government policy

1780
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,359
it's not the same like you need to kind

1781
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,720
of have an understanding and magic's

1782
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,079
very good at this it's been its whole

1783
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,920
job um since the paleolithic magic has

1784
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:45,520
been about

1785
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,400
uh asserting sovereignty over those uh

1786
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,240
those health processes

1787
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,960
and this goes into kind of the idea of

1788
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,359
um you know not necessarily the placebo

1789
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,280
effect but

1790
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,960
the placebo effect kind of works within

1791
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,200
that same kind of realm where you you

1792
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:03,359
have a medication you're said that

1793
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:04,720
you're told will give you a certain

1794
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,680
effect

1795
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,520
and you don't you know like you're

1796
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,960
taking let's say something that's just a

1797
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,240
sugar pill but you'll still get the

1798
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,839
effect that medications supposed to

1799
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,760
provide without the actual active

1800
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,280
ingredient

1801
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:18,240
and the idea is well how how is your

1802
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,280
body

1803
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,119
able to do these things enabled able to

1804
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,880
affect these changes

1805
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,559
uh you know the same idea and i know

1806
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,079
that this this may be a

1807
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:27,599
kind of a

1808
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,640
bad

1809
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,599
uh example but like at least an extreme

1810
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,319
example you'll have individuals who

1811
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:35,839
they will undergo some some type of

1812
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,799
extreme experience like i know with uh

1813
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,359
here in canada we have like you know i

1814
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,599
know that i've heard you discuss uh the

1815
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,160
fatima before and i've been to fatima

1816
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,119
to the shrine there and uh massive oh my

1817
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,920
goodness it's a massive place um but we

1818
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,920
have one of the like the the top cat

1819
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:56,880
like top catholic shrines here in canada

1820
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,079
and about it's about a seven hour drive

1821
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,160
uh from here in ottawa it's i think

1822
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,480
about an hour and a half north uh east

1823
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:07,280
of quebec city called santander

1824
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,319
and

1825
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,280
it is it's it's a massive like a massive

1826
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,520
cathedral um and

1827
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,599
the idea is that

1828
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,680
people who are being afflicted by some

1829
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,720
type of

1830
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,920
um

1831
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,440
crippling ailments whether it's you know

1832
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,240
it's polio or their legs don't work or

1833
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,319
what have you they will go there and

1834
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,280
they will

1835
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:30,640
they'll perform what they're supposed to

1836
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,680
to do as as uh as dictated by

1837
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:36,079
um you know as custom more

1838
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,200
and i forget exactly i think it's like

1839
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,200
you have to walk up 100 stairs

1840
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,119
or something like that but

1841
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,280
people apparently walk away from there

1842
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,119
from these debilitating

1843
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,760
conditions yeah completely cured and

1844
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,200
it's a matter of okay well is this is

1845
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,799
this a matter of you know you know is it

1846
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,880
faith is it you know i i'm a believer in

1847
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,960
some type of higher power i can't

1848
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,720
explain it to life i mean i don't think

1849
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:58,720
religion necessarily can

1850
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,680
um

1851
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:01,680
but

1852
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,400
there are people who are able to believe

1853
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,839
something and they will affect change

1854
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,440
within themselves

1855
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,680
so is this a matter of

1856
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:12,160
self-healing is it a matter of there are

1857
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,280
uh you know

1858
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,280
plants that can assist with these things

1859
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,240
or is it a matter of just you know

1860
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,880
people just being lucky

1861
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,400
uh i think

1862
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,079
i think you get i think you roll the

1863
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:27,200
hard sex slightly more often uh in in a

1864
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,000
uh

1865
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,400
in a mystical or magical environment i

1866
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:31,920
wasn't specifically referring to

1867
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,960
miraculous outcomes which i think are

1868
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,920
more likely in in the kind of conditions

1869
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,599
that we were just describing i i mean

1870
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,039
that

1871
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:43,359
like literally every single uh

1872
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,000
prescription medication is in some way a

1873
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,640
weaponized form of of a traditional

1874
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,720
plant law or traditional medicine except

1875
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,799
for the like the even more demonic ones

1876
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,960
that are only end up on the market

1877
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,440
because you kind of top shelf the uh the

1878
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,680
trials that you don't want uh out there

1879
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,079
and i mean prozac literally does nothing

1880
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,079
i don't know if you know dr ben goldacre

1881
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,319
is but the only reason prozac came out

1882
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,920
was because they top shelf the results

1883
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,520
that showed that it did nothing uh but

1884
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,119
that kind of sovereignty over if you

1885
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:14,880
look at our um

1886
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,480
more or less ruined food supply chain uh

1887
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,839
and

1888
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,599
a combination now that we have this

1889
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,440
understanding of a pivot to things like

1890
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,160
local food and uh

1891
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,799
the kind of original sources incorrect

1892
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,720
doses

1893
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,640
for um plants that went on to become

1894
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,240
like you mentioned aspirin like willow

1895
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,079
tree bark then so you make a tea of

1896
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:38,720
willow and it does the same thing the

1897
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,079
same anti-inflammatory effect this uh a

1898
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,720
lot of these actual medical treatments

1899
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,319
have been conserved since the

1900
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,559
paleolithic so it's not just

1901
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:50,640
people go to placebo effect if you the

1902
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,000
fact that you went straight to placebo

1903
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:53,839
effects suggests to me

1904
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,799
that um you need to look again at the at

1905
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,480
the internalized medical worldview you

1906
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,400
have because you think they're right but

1907
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,000
there's also

1908
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,720
um you know a miraculous response which

1909
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,520
is still there but i i mean it on a

1910
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,440
fundamental daily basis that the

1911
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,520
majority of things that we

1912
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,839
are told we need particularly in the us

1913
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,520
because for some reason you're allowed

1914
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:16,480
to have

1915
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,480
tv advertising for experimental you know

1916
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,960
recently released drugs that cause death

1917
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,720
as a side effect uh

1918
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:26,720
that's not you know that's not the right

1919
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,680
way to um to look at this and that's

1920
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,039
that's and it's

1921
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,680
you cannot get away from it the the food

1922
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,920
industry is is essentially ruined from a

1923
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,240
health perspective the same thing with

1924
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,720
big pharma but nevertheless we will get

1925
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,920
sick and we need to eat well it's the uh

1926
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:45,760
the the age-old adage like

1927
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,640
cure your eczema but you can get cancer

1928
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,319
basically yeah well because i used to go

1929
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,559
to the us for work quite a bit and and

1930
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:54,319
to be getting ready you know to go into

1931
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,319
the office and i'd sort of turn on

1932
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,160
morning tv and in between the ads for

1933
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,319
learjets on a morning talk show for

1934
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,760
whatever reason i'll tell you it's so

1935
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:02,559
that

1936
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,359
um

1937
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,520
they don't run negative articles about

1938
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,839
boeing because boeing's putting ads in

1939
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,160
the show i work in advertising so i know

1940
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,839
what that's like but then in between

1941
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:13,440
that you get ads for

1942
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,600
um the most absurd snake oil problems

1943
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,839
like oh i have uh

1944
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,759
uh i have my bowel movements are

1945
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,759
irregular in the morning so here take

1946
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,520
this and and then it

1947
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,279
the list of side effects

1948
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,719
includes like you know temporary

1949
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,880
psychosis but for a regular bowel

1950
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,920
movement

1951
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,319
have a coffee what the hell

1952
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,679
coffee the cigarette in the morning it

1953
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:38,719
gets you going yeah it gets you going

1954
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,440
and

1955
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,880
that like that that's the biggest thing

1956
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:42,319
for me with with the pharmaceutical

1957
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,440
industry is

1958
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,440
just yeah because yes like

1959
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:47,440
i may bring that as an example but in in

1960
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,279
reality a lot of i'm gonna say 99.9 of

1961
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,839
of what's out there it's it's it's

1962
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,120
invented

1963
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,640
uh conditions

1964
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:58,159
it's you know like again there are there

1965
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:59,279
are problems that people have but it's a

1966
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,159
matter of okay is it completely made up

1967
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,679
that we're talking about restless leg

1968
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:06,080
syndrome right yes russell safe syndrome

1969
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,839
you know that's a serious issue i think

1970
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:09,279
we should investigate more government

1971
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,880
money

1972
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:12,319
one thing for me is like now that we

1973
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,679
like adhd um or or 80d they've got these

1974
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,440
new fidget spinners out

1975
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,319
uh

1976
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,679
that is

1977
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,159
you know that that's a non-medical way

1978
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,159
to

1979
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,719
kind of attack the problem of people who

1980
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,319
have issues with

1981
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,080
uh attaining focus or being motivated or

1982
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:34,000
staying still at their desk you just

1983
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,880
have this little thing that you just

1984
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,719
spent around and if i'd had that when i

1985
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,319
was in college or in well i'm going to

1986
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,560
say in high school i probably wouldn't

1987
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,960
have gone to to smoking the mary mary

1988
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,839
jane

1989
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,319
um that was like grade 11 to to

1990
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,199
graduation but still you know they're

1991
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,799
you know there there are non-medical

1992
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,520
ways to to attack a lot of the issues

1993
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,880
that are out there if you're dealing

1994
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,320
with cancer

1995
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:58,000
like that's a strange thing i've i know

1996
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,360
people who have

1997
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,199
smoke drank

1998
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,520
um you know done crazy stuff and they've

1999
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,280
lived to be like 80

2000
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,199
you know and they just live this this

2001
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:09,520
this hendonistic lifestyle

2002
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,199
uh of of debauchery and awesomeness

2003
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,040
but you know they came they came to an

2004
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:18,239
end i know people who who are you know

2005
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,440
in their teens and they get some

2006
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,920
horrible form of rare cancer and they've

2007
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,199
never smoked they've never drank you

2008
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,600
know they haven't even even

2009
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,199
come out of their their

2010
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:29,040
their own as it were

2011
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,840
so

2012
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,440
there are a lot of it's like what you

2013
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,440
know no one really knows what can cause

2014
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,520
these issues to certainly well this is

2015
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,040
the this is the the worldview

2016
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,760
dysfunction uh that i was talking about

2017
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,239
with big pharma so if even if you solve

2018
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,199
to your own satisfaction or if you vote

2019
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,360
to your own satisfaction for some kind

2020
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,880
of government policy to do with health

2021
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,880
care funding that you like the best

2022
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,480
you're still left with and i remember i

2023
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,640
followed the cancer stuff quite um

2024
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:55,840
closely

2025
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,600
uh in 2013 or 14 front page of the

2026
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,719
guardian uh recent study

2027
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,280
shows that getting cancer is essentially

2028
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,199
luck they they ran down the genetics

2029
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:09,280
they ran down the lifestyle things and

2030
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,800
they had to retract it the next day

2031
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,560
because all this kind of grumble grumble

2032
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,080
medicine going you can't tell people

2033
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,480
that um even though

2034
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:18,159
when

2035
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,719
upon meta-analysis of the conditions

2036
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,719
surrounding a hundred thousand cancer

2037
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:26,800
cases over the last 40 years we do not

2038
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:29,040
detect a pattern is what they're saying

2039
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,159
that means you're looking for the wrong

2040
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,719
thing there clearly is one and i i

2041
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,800
suspect with cancer that it is

2042
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,640
um the under looked at vector is

2043
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:38,320
oncoviruses

2044
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,280
which we

2045
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,679
for decades we're told viruses are not

2046
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,600
implicated in cancer until they were and

2047
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:46,400
we we have hpv vaccines and so on for

2048
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,760
women so

2049
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,920
for decades it was viruses don't cause

2050
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,239
cancer uh except for this one you go

2051
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,440
well hang on let's just look back over

2052
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,679
the last dramatic rise of cancer since

2053
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,040
the mid 20th century and see if there's

2054
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,040
anything in this but you can't do that

2055
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,199
you you personally can and if it is if

2056
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,080
there is an oncoviral vector

2057
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,679
that puts

2058
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,920
the control and sovereignty back into

2059
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,600
your hands but more interestingly when

2060
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,199
it comes to cancer for

2061
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,480
and and a lot of these sort of so-called

2062
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,800
circles unfair um

2063
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:18,719
the guy who won the nobel prize for

2064
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:21,920
medicine last year japanese doctor

2065
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:24,880
he won it for essentially discovering

2066
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:25,760
how

2067
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,280
it an autophagy is essentially if you

2068
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,800
fast for more than five days completely

2069
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:32,800
fast so seven days or more

2070
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:36,719
um your entire body will um

2071
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:39,280
essentially destroy and remove damaged

2072
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,719
cells and and so on and and flush them

2073
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,960
out and and you sort of re-lengthen your

2074
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,280
teleomirs and and it he won the nobel

2075
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:48,960
prize for this and it and what do you

2076
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,760
know

2077
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,320
it turns out that this has

2078
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,320
like a 30-day fast combined potentially

2079
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,480
with something like uh rick simpson oil

2080
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,440
you get dozens of anecdotal

2081
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,440
uh

2082
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,800
anecdotal in the sense because no one's

2083
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,239
on any trial and we get dozens of

2084
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,239
anecdotal accounts of people curing pets

2085
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,000
and livestock and themselves and so on

2086
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,080
who have been in this situation

2087
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,040
and these things are available to you

2088
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,199
and it's just you know

2089
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,280
no one does it but if you look at the

2090
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,880
the official option the one that can

2091
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,880
bankrupt you in the u.s which is cancer

2092
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,719
treatment you look at it and go well so

2093
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:24,080
what what's on offer here and you go

2094
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,360
well you take these drugs and then we

2095
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,760
blast you with radiation does it work

2096
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,840
it appears it doesn't work

2097
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,600
but nevertheless this is your

2098
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:33,120
nevertheless this is your option and it

2099
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,560
will cost you seventy thousand dollars

2100
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,719
so mortgage your house and you go this

2101
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,120
is some [\h__\h] that's it's as simple

2102
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:42,000
as that and well we'll exactly like

2103
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,960
again

2104
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,239
i'm gonna bring this this up here and

2105
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,400
this isn't to to tutor own or you know

2106
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,360
our horn here but uh you you you are

2107
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,120
you're aware of who john anthony west is

2108
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,880
obviously this isn't uh

2109
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:53,840
okay

2110
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,560
so john anthony west as you know was uh

2111
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,280
diagnosed with stage four cancer um uh

2112
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:01,679
last late last year

2113
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,719
and

2114
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:04,400
uh he

2115
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,280
much as we can with with his family and

2116
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,920
with uh his uh family friend clay roop

2117
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,120
to to

2118
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,040
essentially raise money for him for

2119
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,440
cancer research and again shameless plug

2120
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,600
there is there are three links in the

2121
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,360
show notes you can go check out

2122
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:23,440
if you'd like to donate to the cause um

2123
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,040
the problem is that the

2124
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,199
cancer treatment is with the brzezinski

2125
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,880
clinic which is not covered by the fda

2126
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,800
and the reason is because it's effective

2127
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,480
and it doesn't use it like it doesn't

2128
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:34,640
use

2129
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,760
a completely new way of of looking at

2130
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,360
cancer as far as treating it with

2131
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:43,440
regards to diet with regards to

2132
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,239
um

2133
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,080
nutrients within the body and his his

2134
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,560
success rate is insane

2135
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,159
um and

2136
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,280
john has been showing an increased

2137
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,760
uh like progress from going from you

2138
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,080
know being on a ventilator and and

2139
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,679
suffering from from pneumonia he's still

2140
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,960
trying to kick the pneumonia but you

2141
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:02,159
know they're saying that he could

2142
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:03,440
possibly come home by the end of the

2143
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:04,480
year now

2144
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,840
from stage four cancer like you know

2145
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,280
middle it's incredible

2146
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:09,760
and this is you know i've been told it's

2147
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,679
based on you know it there are certain

2148
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,520
protocols that he brings in and he you

2149
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,760
know dr brzezinski is kind of a genius

2150
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,760
when it comes to this type of thing

2151
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,120
you know there are many ways to be able

2152
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,960
to treat cancer you know people will

2153
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:22,560
smoke weed they'll they'll you know as

2154
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:23,840
you mentioned they could fast they can

2155
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,480
use the the method that that he's shown

2156
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,560
uh one one aspect that i've looked into

2157
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,239
or at least heard and this was from from

2158
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,480
uh john anthony west's daughter which is

2159
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,560
a ketogenic diet

2160
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,159
which i have yeah well that will do the

2161
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,400
same thing that that will

2162
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,040
have the same kind of hormonal response

2163
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,880
fasting is better but you have

2164
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,239
the way to

2165
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:48,400
have a hormonal

2166
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,040
profile that most approximates fasting

2167
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:52,880
is with a ketogenic diet

2168
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,280
now that's why it will work but like

2169
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:57,280
fasting for 30 days will do it and and

2170
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,640
in fact

2171
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,159
there are people who and it's kind of

2172
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:01,920
gross stories but i've heard a couple of

2173
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,719
them uh people who had cancer who

2174
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,320
one woman i was watching a video uh

2175
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:08,800
recently doing some research for um a

2176
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,360
piece on fasting and uh

2177
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,360
and this woman was saying that she was

2178
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,199
very religious and she was overweight

2179
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,960
and had cancer and a lot of stomach

2180
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:19,440
cancer and so on and she prayed and

2181
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,239
she was told by god to fast for 30 days

2182
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:23,840
you know 30 days and 30 nights that i

2183
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,080
was fasting in the wild so she did and

2184
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,600
over this 30-day period she obviously

2185
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,560
lost

2186
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,320
dozens of pounds but she said and this

2187
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,560
is the gross bit that she was actually

2188
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,320
passing the cancers when she was on the

2189
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:37,040
toilet and ever since 20 years later and

2190
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,320
ever since then she only eats on

2191
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:40,400
weekends and she's

2192
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,520
healthy and fine and so on and uh that's

2193
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:45,199
interesting because this this ties in

2194
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,480
with the kind of and that's why you need

2195
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,600
to update world views it's kind of what

2196
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,360
we're talking about before so you get

2197
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,880
the nobel peace prize for discovering

2198
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:53,040
autophagy and how it works and then all

2199
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,080
of a sudden you look back through

2200
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,760
history and this is essentially the cure

2201
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,920
for these things

2202
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,440
we've had the whole time you go wait a

2203
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,440
minute wait a minute so

2204
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,360
marijuana has been known since the

2205
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,760
neolithic to have not just sort of

2206
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,760
shamanic journeying properties but

2207
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:09,840
intimately involved in medicine

2208
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,040
and everywhere would tell you to fast if

2209
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,880
you have different viral illnesses and

2210
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,800
it's because it has

2211
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,360
a uh sort of a beneficial impact on the

2212
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,800
immune system i think it's the same

2213
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,520
thing it's i think this is how thc works

2214
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,760
uh because it activates the

2215
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:27,440
endocannabinoid

2216
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:29,120
um system which regulates amongst other

2217
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:30,880
things the immune system and so if a

2218
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:34,159
virus if if cancer is caused by virus

2219
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:36,159
and you know an oncovirus

2220
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,040
um

2221
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,120
sort of upregulating your immune system

2222
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,040
will fix it while at the same time

2223
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,040
fasting will actually remove the damaged

2224
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,520
cells so i it's not even just like oh i

2225
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,679
don't even know how this works i kind of

2226
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,159
think maybe i do know how this works uh

2227
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,280
and this is where you fall outside of

2228
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:55,360
big pharma's dysfunctional worldview

2229
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:56,400
which is

2230
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,840
a a materialist allopathic one and uh

2231
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,280
and and there are options available to

2232
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,080
people and these options even when

2233
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,080
even if bernie sanders sanders had won

2234
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,000
in the us and they had single-payer

2235
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:10,719
healthcare what we are talking about now

2236
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:13,440
would not be covered by it so yay you

2237
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,960
don't lose your house and i mean that

2238
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,440
seriously i have i just get very upset

2239
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,520
about um the state of healthcare in the

2240
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,560
u.s

2241
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:22,159
so i don't mean that as a as something

2242
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:23,040
glib

2243
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:24,159
but

2244
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,280
what will

2245
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,360
the true

2246
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,800
sort of

2247
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:30,560
true understandings of health in the

2248
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,520
21st century are not available

2249
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,320
single-payer or not from big pharma oh

2250
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:38,239
god damn no like that's

2251
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,440
like that

2252
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,199
of course because

2253
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,840
their entire business model is treating

2254
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,040
problems

2255
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,880
hopefully to extend people's lives out

2256
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:48,239
enough so that when they eventually die

2257
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,600
from these problems they're still

2258
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:51,520
collecting the issues if they solve the

2259
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,360
problem they reduce their user base

2260
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:57,120
and what that means yeah well what that

2261
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,719
means is that the game

2262
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,560
is the same as it has been since the

2263
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,080
stone age

2264
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,040
and before which is that you are

2265
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,440
singularly and personally and i don't

2266
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,080
mean responsible in a blame way but you

2267
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,320
must assert sovereignty over your own

2268
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,400
health and the health of your family

2269
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,560
regardless of the

2270
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,000
uh

2271
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,760
the sort of governmental and and

2272
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,640
financial conditions

2273
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,000
i actually think the argument for single

2274
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,760
payer can be made on an economic basis

2275
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,440
which is the single biggest cause of

2276
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,440
bankruptcy the u.s

2277
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,280
is a poor health diagnosis so i'm

2278
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,679
actually surprised republicans

2279
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,880
because

2280
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,199
uh if you bankrupt a family what if

2281
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,440
they're an employer or um you know

2282
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,040
people have to move out of their homes

2283
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,040
and and and so on so there's actually a

2284
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:45,679
negative economic impact for how the us

2285
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,880
has their

2286
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:48,880
healthcare structured in the demonic way

2287
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,560
that they do but even if you solve that

2288
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,640
it's like solving that which i think

2289
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:55,840
will happen

2290
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,760
is not the same thing as aligning with a

2291
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:01,440
with the more cutting-edge understanding

2292
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:02,840
of health in the 21st

2293
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,159
century now for from a shamanistic view

2294
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,719
and like again i i'm kind of trying to

2295
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,800
tie things back here within the main

2296
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:11,920
subject

2297
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,120
uh and we go all over on this show like

2298
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,560
whichever direction the conversation

2299
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,040
takes us but the the main theme being

2300
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,280
magic again shamans throughout

2301
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:23,280
throughout history have been

2302
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,640
been the magic workers they've been the

2303
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,159
healers they've been the soothsayers

2304
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:27,840
they've been you know in a positive

2305
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,199
sense they've been the

2306
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:31,679
the ones who have foretold when the the

2307
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:32,800
when to

2308
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,400
when the the proper time to attack is

2309
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,880
uh because of environmental forces or

2310
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,199
what have you uh you know the

2311
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:45,520
a current version of that from from our

2312
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,960
standpoint from from our society would

2313
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,880
be like the the farmer's almanac

2314
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,159
and putting that into kind of like a you

2315
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,520
know in a gremora as it were in a very

2316
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,719
um

2317
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,400
basic sense and i'm probably going to

2318
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:58,719
use it very closely colloquially with

2319
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,679
that

2320
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,040
but

2321
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,320
the shermans have always been the ones

2322
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,600
who've been the holders of the

2323
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,760
information the holders of the power

2324
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,520
um and respected within their

2325
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,880
communities because they're the ones

2326
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,480
that have made things happen

2327
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,239
and i noticed that there is the shift

2328
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:14,400
like there has been the shift between

2329
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,600
um

2330
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,920
from let's say you know 1800s to 1900s

2331
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,520
where we're you know victorian ages

2332
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,440
they're using leeches to bleed people

2333
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:23,040
and and there's all of these different

2334
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,159
ways to

2335
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,560
uh you know barbaric practices as health

2336
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,400
professionals will put it

2337
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:30,000
but at the same time there's kind of a

2338
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:31,280
shift now and i don't know if it's

2339
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,640
positive or negative where the

2340
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,480
scientists that are

2341
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,320
and the health professionals

2342
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:38,080
they're being rejected by a lot of the

2343
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,040
people

2344
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,600
alternative view where they'll say like

2345
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:43,360
oh the scientist is saying xyz well that

2346
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,800
scientist is full of [\h__\h] because of xyz

2347
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:48,560
or they'll give a reason for it but at

2348
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,080
the end of the day it's it you know the

2349
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,840
the alternate view of things and the

2350
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,600
alternate like midwives are starting to

2351
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,480
make a a comeback for instance

2352
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,320
like the the looking at the alternate

2353
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,840
ways of solving these problems has

2354
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,440
become a lot more prevalent in the last

2355
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,159
20 30 years especially in the last 15 at

2356
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,960
least that i can see

2357
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:10,880
but going to

2358
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,120
shamanism back 30 thousand years ago 20

2359
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,000
000 years ago like what

2360
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,679
this this knowledge hasn't necessarily

2361
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,159
changed it's shifted its

2362
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,080
way of communication

2363
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:25,040
but it hasn't necessarily changed

2364
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,159
so

2365
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:28,800
is there like where where did

2366
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,080
where did it come from where did the

2367
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:32,080
source of this information originally

2368
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:33,199
come was it the fact that we've been

2369
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:36,719
around for 1.2 million years as a basics

2370
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,320
you know line of species and it's just

2371
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:40,560
been accumulated knowledge or has there

2372
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,360
been

2373
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,440
some type of of information exchange

2374
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,520
that that's been coming down from

2375
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,840
you know somewhere else

2376
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,320
um with the caveat that

2377
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,679
shaman

2378
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,840
is is is a kind of very specific

2379
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:56,159
eurasian term there so which is a very

2380
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,920
general general western terms yeah yeah

2381
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,679
yeah yeah i just want to want to just

2382
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,520
put that out because otherwise people

2383
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,639
yell at me

2384
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,560
uh direct them to me if they do please

2385
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,800
because i i i can take that [\h__\h] i'm an

2386
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,480
internet troll that that's not a problem

2387
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:11,360
for me there you go uh

2388
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,629
the the short answer and i gave a

2389
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,239
presentation on this about this time

2390
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:20,400
last year in london called campfire's

2391
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,920
edge the short answer is if you ask

2392
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,080
cultures that continue to practice in an

2393
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:27,840
uninterrupted way

2394
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,679
more traditional

2395
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,159
engagements with

2396
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,480
non-human persons and plants and and

2397
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,520
that kind of thing they'll say the

2398
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,920
spirits told us

2399
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,760
uh and and in a very specific sense and

2400
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,600
the most famous one amongst white people

2401
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,040
who listen to podcasts at the moment is

2402
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,840
probably the ayahuasca combination

2403
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,000
and uh and it's a very good example

2404
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,679
because uh

2405
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:51,199
it's a very good example because if you

2406
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,120
look at the sort of species diversity in

2407
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:55,840
the amazon and you combine these two

2408
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,000
that don't even really grow do not grow

2409
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,080
together in a way you get the most uh

2410
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,080
potential

2411
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:03,760
on the planet that also appears to be

2412
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:05,920
endogenous in that the brain appears to

2413
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,480
create it and the lungs so

2414
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:10,480
there is something to that and there is

2415
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,040
also something to when you get rid of

2416
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,320
this positivist um progressive knowledge

2417
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,719
seniors were talking about jaws himself

2418
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,040
his church of progress idea when you get

2419
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:23,040
rid of this model of

2420
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,639
uh

2421
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,239
history

2422
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,920
and you look at it correctly this comes

2423
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:29,520
back to data

2424
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:32,080
analysis you realize it's lumpy

2425
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,590
of human existence extremely

2426
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,520
uh and we're in one of the kind of

2427
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:44,320
vertical market phases now um which

2428
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,440
roughly correlates with um you know not

2429
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:49,280
necessarily the industrial revolution

2430
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,080
but

2431
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,199
um the widespread electrification of of

2432
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:54,880
developed and developing economies but

2433
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,679
it's it's just crazy we're at this like

2434
01:25:02,470 --> 01:24:59,840
you know vertical point

2435
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,480
there have been a few of them uh and and

2436
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:04,719
they're they are

2437
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:05,600
it is

2438
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,560
impossible to explain them with a

2439
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,040
utilitarian materialist model it's it's

2440
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,639
as simple as that now when you go the

2441
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,639
whole way back to

2442
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,360
how is it that we know

2443
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,840
um which combinations of plants or what

2444
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,679
happens how do we work out that if when

2445
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,239
the stars are here we should migrate to

2446
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,199
their

2447
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,719
and and meet up with another tribe and

2448
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,800
do the usual things where you kind of

2449
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,120
marry off your daughters to their sons

2450
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,639
and vice versa and all the kind of

2451
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:35,120
things you do 50 000 years ago

2452
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,400
uh

2453
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,719
the answer if you ask them is oh the

2454
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,400
spirits the spirits told us it is that

2455
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,400
ongoing interaction with us and there

2456
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:44,000
are some interesting technological

2457
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,000
vectors because technology is implicated

2458
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,560
in this in a way that is

2459
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:49,920
significant

2460
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,800
and mysterious and a macro basis and it

2461
01:26:03,510 --> 01:25:54,480
comes back to

2462
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,520
universally observed by that the spirits

2463
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,920
or demons are responsible for giving

2464
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,920
mankind the tools of civilization and

2465
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:09,920
the tools of civilization include not

2466
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,120
just metallurgy but herbalism and i

2467
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,440
suspect space travel in the last hundred

2468
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,400
or so years so this is where you get to

2469
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:20,320
look at particularly once you've you

2470
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,600
know become invincible so once you've

2471
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,920
worked out because if you're not there

2472
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,880
yet

2473
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,320
and you're listening

2474
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:28,320
you live in a magical universe um i

2475
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,280
don't

2476
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:30,719
know what they are but spirits are real

2477
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,480
etc etc so

2478
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,480
once you have that baked into your head

2479
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,480
and the church of progress model falls

2480
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,880
away and you realize that these things

2481
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:40,960
exist and novelty

2482
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,120
and its velocity is unevenly distributed

2483
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,920
across the human timeline you go well

2484
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,159
passimony would suggest i put these

2485
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,520
things together and that they are

2486
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,840
implicated in some way so humans and

2487
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,760
human consciousness is in some kind of

2488
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,679
ongoing interaction

2489
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,440
with the other side of dr kreifel's

2490
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:00,320
one-way mirror and when we get it right

2491
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:02,840
the velocity of um

2492
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,560
novelty when i say right uh

2493
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:08,880
when the when the signal is strong the

2494
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,830
i'm trying to find a good response for

2495
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,800
that

2496
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,199
um

2497
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,600
[\h__\h] i just blew my mind

2498
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:23,440
thank you that happens once every couple

2499
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,480
episodes

2500
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:26,880
uh with

2501
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,440
this type of

2502
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:30,800
societal

2503
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:34,159
change or or you know

2504
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,520
hearing from the spirits and i'm going

2505
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:37,040
to pull from laird scranton with this

2506
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,320
and and

2507
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,920
the fact that the dogon like the dog are

2508
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,520
probably the second best as far as the

2509
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:43,040
the ayahuasca be the first whereas the

2510
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,320
spirits told us

2511
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,880
um and you know by extension the the the

2512
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,000
buddhists

2513
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,760
where the information that they received

2514
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:51,199
with regards to

2515
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:52,239
uh

2516
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:54,159
if you're depending on on which way you

2517
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,840
want to be able to lean that they told

2518
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:57,040
them about sirius and they told them

2519
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,480
about all of these

2520
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,639
uh cosmological secrets

2521
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,239
that have been passed that were passed

2522
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,480
down to the egyptians or the dogon were

2523
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,719
the egyptians depending on which um uh

2524
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,400
you know which line of thought you want

2525
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:09,920
to be able to get into

2526
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,520
and you know that goes to the idea of

2527
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,760
extraterrestrial contact whether we're

2528
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:17,679
dealing with

2529
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,080
a certain amount of

2530
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,679
i'm trying to say here because whenever

2531
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,360
i whenever i talk about ancient aliens

2532
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,040
and again i'm going to go on a little

2533
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,880
bit of a rant here so do please do do

2534
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,040
excuse me here uh gordon

2535
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:30,800
i love the ancient alien guys like you

2536
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,480
know uh mike barra uh george suclose um

2537
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,639
amazing like they're they're good good

2538
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:38,800
hard-working people and entrepreneurs

2539
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:41,840
who have been very successful

2540
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,800
the general idea of

2541
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,760
physical aliens coming down

2542
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,080
within the last 50

2543
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,480
000 years it's a possibility there are

2544
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:54,239
cave paintings out there that depict

2545
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,760
beings which

2546
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:58,080
could be anything but from our

2547
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,440
standpoint and a popular culture

2548
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:02,000
standpoint very much resemble aliens

2549
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:02,880
but

2550
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:05,840
the idea that everything is aliens

2551
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,960
or therefore

2552
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,400
because i do not know therefore aliens

2553
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,040
is just [\h__\h] to me um

2554
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,040
from the beginning of our civilization i

2555
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,040
know i know you're thinking about the

2556
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,880
pimp theory

2557
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:17,840
uh

2558
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,960
from the start of us as a species

2559
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:23,199
it's a possibility but

2560
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:24,320
have we really looked into the

2561
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,679
interdimensional i'm not talking the

2562
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:26,880
interdimensional

2563
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:30,320
you know uh child molesting aliens that

2564
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,679
that alex jones talks about but

2565
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:35,600
if we're looking at

2566
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,920
some type of contact whether from

2567
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:40,080
beginning of our history

2568
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,800
to

2569
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,719
helping us out materially

2570
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,199
and contact contact throughout our

2571
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,239
history on a spiritual sense

2572
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:49,679
is

2573
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,040
in the fact that ayahuasca has been

2574
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:54,960
described as

2575
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,840
a a gateway to contacting these beings

2576
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,120
from what whether you're talking about

2577
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:01,120
terence mckenna or you're talking about

2578
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:02,239
you know for from

2579
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:04,719
cyclobin with the clockwork elves

2580
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,239
or we're talking about uh you know just

2581
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:09,840
otherworldly beings that let's say

2582
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,880
graham hancock ran into in his ayahuasca

2583
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:14,719
journeys

2584
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,159
you know is

2585
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,920
that it's a chicken in the egg thing

2586
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:19,199
where did we first get the knowledge

2587
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:21,360
from and that's something that kind of

2588
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,360
always bugs me and

2589
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,840
the pimp theory or something along those

2590
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,800
lines

2591
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,040
kind of seems to be a rational

2592
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,199
explanation other than that it was just

2593
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:32,880
some guys got together and said hey

2594
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,679
let's

2595
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,520
you know

2596
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,960
let's just mix a bunch of [\h__\h] together

2597
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:38,560
and see what gets us high and they just

2598
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:41,600
stumbled across it and uh you know

2599
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:43,199
if the last hundred years is any

2600
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:44,560
indication

2601
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,280
we've gone from

2602
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,920
mechanical computers that were built in

2603
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,679
massive warehouses just to be able to

2604
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:53,600
crack a cipher to

2605
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,159
uh the power to send somebody to the

2606
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:59,199
moon or four times that in you know the

2607
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,840
palm of somebody's hand for instance

2608
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,280
communication so like

2609
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:06,000
is this something that could have

2610
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,440
is it wrong to look at our society as a

2611
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,840
template to say okay well if one

2612
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:13,280
generation just stumbled across

2613
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:14,320
something

2614
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,520
that the next generation could have

2615
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:18,000
applied it

2616
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:18,400
um

2617
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:20,000
[Music]

2618
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:21,360
we

2619
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:24,560
for and let me explain what i mean by

2620
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,280
that um because it's only this this sort

2621
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:29,280
of vertical market period is only about

2622
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,320
120 years old give or take uh

2623
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,960
it's not clear to me that whoever has

2624
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,440
been involved in increasing our velocity

2625
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:39,520
of novelty has our best interests to

2626
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:40,639
heart

2627
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,679
there's

2628
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,159
we there is something mysterious about

2629
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,560
the development of the space program

2630
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:49,040
over the 20th century from kind of

2631
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:50,560
crowley on

2632
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:51,360
uh

2633
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,760
that suggests that there are kind of um

2634
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,600
other hands on other hands playing on

2635
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:59,840
the keyboard at the same time as us i

2636
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:01,600
think that's a reasonable statement for

2637
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,080
a show like this as to why

2638
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,920
is um

2639
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:08,159
is is not necessarily clear so i i don't

2640
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,920
know if we would be a template in the

2641
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:11,280
same way that

2642
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:13,520
um

2643
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,000
less dysfunctional or more functional

2644
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,159
relationships with the spirit world

2645
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:20,480
resulted in

2646
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:22,080
different medicines and different life

2647
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:23,920
ways that i think are more more stable

2648
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,639
and valuable that you might find in uh

2649
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:28,880
in civilizations other than else

2650
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,679
so we are an example of it happening

2651
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,000
maybe for good maybe for bad because it

2652
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:36,480
for whatever reason someone somewhere

2653
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:39,520
decided that they wanted us pig chimps

2654
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,920
on other planets um fairly quickly and

2655
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:43,600
if you look at the development of

2656
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,159
literally everything else going from

2657
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:48,960
uh covered wagon to space faring in a in

2658
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,679
a lifetime a long lifetime but not that

2659
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,040
long um

2660
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,000
requires some explanation

2661
01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:58,480
uh i i know that there is one uh dr

2662
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,520
ellis silver uh who

2663
01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:03,199
this is one i don't i don't think i

2664
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,960
think that's cult i know what you mean i

2665
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,480
think that's a cult publication because

2666
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:08,560
there is no dr ellis silver but that's

2667
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,760
one of the things i was trying to get to

2668
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,280
because i'm like okay

2669
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,800
like okay i'm trying to say like this

2670
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,159
this book was out and people are talking

2671
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:15,920
about it and like ancient origins put

2672
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:17,520
out this article like oh experts say

2673
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,360
this experts say that and there's like

2674
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:21,199
this dr ella silver i'm like okay it's a

2675
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:23,760
57-page book with a really shitty cover

2676
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:25,840
and i cannot find any contact

2677
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:28,000
information for this person so like is

2678
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,400
this person real and it's

2679
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:32,320
the the idea of

2680
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,199
were we brought here or are we um you

2681
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,760
know are we native of this planet

2682
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:39,360
is is something that some people will

2683
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,800
will discuss and it's it's an

2684
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,080
interesting concept even if the

2685
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:43,760
publication's [\h__\h]

2686
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,719
um

2687
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:46,960
but from a

2688
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,600
anthropological standpoint like i'm i'm

2689
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:51,360
of the

2690
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:56,800
we as a species have

2691
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:58,960
been provided help at least in terms of

2692
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,679
guidance whether it is a matter of well

2693
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:03,440
here is a sentient species that came out

2694
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:05,360
of the middle of nowhere

2695
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,600
or you know we can help improve it in

2696
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:08,960
small ways

2697
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,880
and help guide them towards greatness

2698
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:12,159
and hopefully at some point they can

2699
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,840
join us within the you know galactic

2700
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:15,760
federation whatever the [\h__\h] is out

2701
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:16,639
there

2702
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,760
um

2703
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:20,400
but you'll have people like uh

2704
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,600
like um

2705
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,840
i'm trying to think his name here

2706
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,679
uh

2707
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:27,920
well pretty much anybody whenever i hear

2708
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:30,719
anunnaki and ancient aliens mentioned in

2709
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:34,159
the same word in terms of um

2710
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:36,480
mining gold and i can respect anybody

2711
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:40,719
who who will think of that because

2712
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:42,000
anybody who goes along the line of

2713
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:43,679
thinking because it brings attention at

2714
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,280
least to the id and gets people thinking

2715
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:48,400
but i i think that line of thinking

2716
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,280
directly on that point is [\h__\h] just

2717
01:34:55,110 --> 01:34:53,520
be just based around the idea that

2718
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:55,120
sitchin was a great writer and it was

2719
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:56,560
very good like i think it's very good

2720
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:58,639
science fiction but the man did not know

2721
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:01,040
he he didn't know uniform and any

2722
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,639
uniform expert out there would

2723
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:03,920
completely disagree with anything that

2724
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:06,719
he had said and he did he he knew hebrew

2725
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:08,159
ancient hebrew but he didn't know

2726
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,760
uniform and it's it's a completely

2727
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:11,280
different writing system

2728
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:12,840
so

2729
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:16,000
um you know

2730
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,440
the idea of ancient alien

2731
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:21,760
i'm going to say intervention

2732
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,350
well

2733
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,040
going back to i have this kind of

2734
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:31,920
mission of re-enchanting the world so

2735
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,480
there's a sequence of events that i

2736
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:36,239
think builds a

2737
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,000
least worst or um most satisfactory

2738
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,719
model for the universe that allows these

2739
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:44,960
kind of discussions and and

2740
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,560
it's uh and the first one is to

2741
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,280
have some conception of of a universe

2742
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:53,760
that includes a spirit world for all the

2743
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,719
reasons we previously discussed within

2744
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,880
that haunted universe

2745
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:00,239
uh

2746
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:02,560
physical aliens probably exist but you

2747
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:04,400
have to get there in that sequence and

2748
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:06,880
if you don't so the kind of ancient

2749
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:09,600
aliens program hypothesis such that it

2750
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:13,280
is now that we're in season 109 i think

2751
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,960
uh

2752
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,480
is because

2753
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:18,320
it can only emerge out of a materialist

2754
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,320
worldview and that's its

2755
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,320
dysfunction so there's a lot of good

2756
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,719
data like you can kind of pile up

2757
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,400
historical anomalies

2758
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,719
all you want if you know at some point

2759
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:30,080
you have to kind of go all right well

2760
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,520
then i guess we got it wrong and we

2761
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:33,600
should we should build something else

2762
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,480
but

2763
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:36,320
the idea that physical aliens are

2764
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:38,000
involved

2765
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,440
as the gods is a denial of magic in

2766
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:43,840
history because it it's it's it's a

2767
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:46,400
materialist attempt to solve something

2768
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,440
that

2769
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,520
um can't be solved because it's the

2770
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:51,440
world view that's wrong rather than the

2771
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:52,480
evidence

2772
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:54,080
and that's the kind of challenge when

2773
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:55,760
when you come to ancient aliens which is

2774
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,520
that it's it's a again a better

2775
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,840
and more parsimonious and

2776
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,920
you know kind of closer to an occam's

2777
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,440
razor

2778
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:07,440
perspective is

2779
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:08,639
one of

2780
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:11,679
ongoing interactions with a non at least

2781
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,480
one

2782
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,239
non-physical realm

2783
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,840
uh

2784
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,760
where the signals either dialed up or

2785
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:19,280
dialed down depending across the

2786
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,159
timeline as a baseline that said

2787
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,760
and this is a kind of sagan perspective

2788
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:26,000
and i write about this in in starships

2789
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,960
um

2790
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:28,719
my first book

2791
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,440
uh

2792
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,199
you know there's been organisms i am an

2793
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,600
interventionist in the sense that

2794
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:36,000
there is basically no way funnily enough

2795
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,600
so is richard dawkins there is basically

2796
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:40,159
no way life can have

2797
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:41,920
could have spontaneously developed on

2798
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,440
earth i'm i'm a directed panspermia

2799
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,760
person but i i mean it in a in a

2800
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,239
obviously more detailed way than

2801
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:52,080
i think uh materialist because that's

2802
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:53,600
that's the least worst materialist

2803
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,679
assumption and what's ridiculous to me

2804
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,239
about that is that directed panspermia

2805
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,480
requires someone to have directed the

2806
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:03,440
the soggy rock um

2807
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,440
and no one seems to

2808
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:07,679
want to want to pull on that plug so as

2809
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,880
for the sort of

2810
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,480
development of life on earth at its

2811
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,320
beginning the best explanation is one

2812
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,600
that involves

2813
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:15,760
physical aliens or

2814
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,320
forms that will move things depending on

2815
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,080
how you want to define alien will

2816
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,920
actually move physical material through

2817
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:23,280
space

2818
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,080
so

2819
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:25,840
at the very beginning point i am an

2820
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,719
interventionist i'm also probably at the

2821
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:30,880
moment although i go in and out on this

2822
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,880
and the thesis doesn't really rely on it

2823
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,480
i'm also an interventionist at some

2824
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,840
point like i do

2825
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,719
um

2826
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,320
so if we're talking about the pimp

2827
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,880
hypothesis which is dr eugene mccarthy's

2828
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,960
realization that

2829
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,119
humans uh it sounds funny until if you

2830
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:46,639
haven't heard it before that humans are

2831
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,719
kind of half pig and half chimp and

2832
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:50,719
where the pig bits we have like

2833
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,280
laryngeal structure and lack of penis

2834
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:55,199
bone and the carbohydrate composition of

2835
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,320
ourselves and kidney structure and organ

2836
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,560
right microstructure are all pig like

2837
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,719
none of the other apes have it and and

2838
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:05,199
so that needs some kind of explanation

2839
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:06,239
and uh

2840
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,960
so

2841
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:08,560
that one can be done when you're saying

2842
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,040
we need help um or we may have been

2843
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,119
nudged that one doesn't require the

2844
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,840
spaceship to land and and kind of having

2845
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:16,800
someone

2846
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:19,040
drape a uh

2847
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,880
drape something over the lamp to get the

2848
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:22,719
mood lighting going for the pigs and the

2849
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,960
chimps like um there is some kind of

2850
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:29,920
there is a capacity to have a remote or

2851
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:33,119
resonant effect on things like dna

2852
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,119
given that it does respond to sound it

2853
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,440
actually does respond to waves and is is

2854
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:39,199
structured in a way like that that kind

2855
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,480
of shows that

2856
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:42,960
something can have hands in our

2857
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,920
development without having hands

2858
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,920
and and that is the piece that i don't

2859
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:49,920
think we've had sufficiently nuanced

2860
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,000
world views to look into because the

2861
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:53,760
materialists won't touch it and the

2862
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:56,159
ancient aliens people are still also too

2863
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,440
materialist

2864
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,280
and uh and typically if you talk to

2865
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:01,199
esotericists at least over the last

2866
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,000
hundred years you'll just get you know

2867
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:06,560
fruity theosophical nonsense about it

2868
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,520
and and

2869
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,440
we need to come back to having

2870
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,199
um discussions around data which is

2871
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,440
these are the data points let's all

2872
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,520
have a go at interpreting or analyzing

2873
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,920
it and in that respect i am i'm a

2874
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,440
physical interventionist at the kind of

2875
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,360
beginning of life on earth but

2876
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:23,440
as for the involvement of physical

2877
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,560
aliens

2878
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:26,080
in

2879
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,159
development of human culture i don't

2880
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,320
think there have been enough encounters

2881
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,440
for that

2882
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,440
to have happened and i think we need to

2883
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,600
kind of jump back down to that magical

2884
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:39,440
universe model instead well this is one

2885
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:40,800
of the reasons why

2886
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:41,760
and again

2887
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,400
i'm uh jumping off of a point that uh

2888
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:47,199
lee veltman like lee in youtube chat i'm

2889
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,440
trying to say his full name here um but

2890
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:53,040
he mentions uh

2891
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,480
dr um you know dr greer who is one of

2892
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:58,000
the driving forces behind the disclosure

2893
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:59,040
movement

2894
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,480
um and

2895
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:02,239
you know from from i have to say

2896
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:03,760
publicly from from a disclosure

2897
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,880
standpoint

2898
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,520
and from a bringing attention to

2899
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,520
the fact that there is so much

2900
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,880
uh deep

2901
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:12,719
technology that's been hidden from

2902
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:14,000
public view

2903
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:15,440
by governments around the world and the

2904
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,600
fact that we have contact with with

2905
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,760
extraterrestrials whether currently now

2906
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:21,520
or have been in the past

2907
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,400
um

2908
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:25,040
you know they're

2909
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:26,639
he's been the forefront of that and i

2910
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,360
can respect him 110 for that and i'll

2911
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:30,880
always go to bat for that

2912
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,199
um he's brought in the more mystical

2913
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,199
uh

2914
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:38,800
in some of his lectures the more

2915
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:39,920
mystical

2916
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,000
well the aliens are you know they've

2917
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,480
accompanied me into uh you know into the

2918
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,719
pentagon and they've they're not

2919
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,199
material but they're there and i can see

2920
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,280
them type of thing and i've heard

2921
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:54,080
various recounts from some of his

2922
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,119
um

2923
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,800
what's the term some of his retreats

2924
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,480
that could seem a little bit dubious as

2925
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,800
it were and

2926
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:02,400
again lee is now giving me the the

2927
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:05,360
emoticon smiley face with uh sunglasses

2928
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,400
thank you

2929
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,880
and it's along that same lines where uh

2930
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:10,800
and if um

2931
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:12,159
you know the the idea of the

2932
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:13,600
interventionist where

2933
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,960
you'll have people who have said okay

2934
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:15,679
well

2935
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,159
civilization hardcore since world war ii

2936
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:22,480
and the nazis had you know alien

2937
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,199
technology and they now have uh bases in

2938
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:27,040
antarctica and that's what the high jump

2939
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,480
was all about and

2940
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,760
they're going to go on this whole you

2941
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,760
know [\h__\h]

2942
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:34,480
massive tirade about how the last almost

2943
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:37,360
100 years of of of human

2944
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,159
development has been based around uh you

2945
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,000
know like based on alien technology

2946
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,840
where it could have just been well

2947
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
[\h__\h] there's a crash ship

2948
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,600
and they reverse engineer it

2949
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,119
and you know we got most of our

2950
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,119
technology from that and the fact that a

2951
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,880
lot of it could have been uh back

2952
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:55,199
engineered by by uh third-party

2953
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:57,440
companies and private enterprises

2954
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,719
but

2955
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,080
the

2956
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,159
interventionist side of things where you

2957
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,199
know or even going on the david ike

2958
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:07,280
line of thinking

2959
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,800
which

2960
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,480
we lampooned david ike on this show

2961
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,880
quite a lot actually believe it or not

2962
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,679
uh

2963
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:15,840
just because the idea that reptilian

2964
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:18,320
aliens are controlling the shriners the

2965
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:20,320
freemasons the

2966
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,400
uh the aunt fellows

2967
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,000
um you know the uh mystic order of the

2968
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:28,239
elk and every single other fraternal

2969
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,800
organization out there but they're all

2970
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:33,119
like led by some reptilian overlord

2971
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,480
shape-shifting

2972
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:36,320
you know god being that are here to suck

2973
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:38,000
our souls out it just seems full of [\h__\h]

2974
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:39,760
from just completely seems full of [\h__\h]

2975
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,719
to me

2976
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,910
like

2977
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:45,840
is there a

2978
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,000
middle ground that a lot of people can

2979
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:50,560
at least start from

2980
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:52,159
that can cut through a lot of the

2981
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,990
uh

2982
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,510
i don't know

2983
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:01,440
uh i'm not sure

2984
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,560
well

2985
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,199
do you mean is there anything between um

2986
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,040
being a

2987
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,440
smug and insufferable guardian reader

2988
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,440
and being um

2989
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,280
david ike probably

2990
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,960
i sure hope so

2991
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,560
um

2992
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:17,920
if you mean

2993
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,239
is there a middle ground when dealing

2994
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,000
with the story of ufos i think um

2995
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:26,159
i'm an invent as i said

2996
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,679
it's it's it comes to data and

2997
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,280
hypotheses and i'm familiar with the

2998
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,639
kind of canon

2999
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:33,360
um of 20th century ufology which is that

3000
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:36,639
the the nazis found something uh

3001
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,520
and some of that stuff was taken to

3002
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:42,080
what is now the new mexico area

3003
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:45,600
and um as part of the radar tests they

3004
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:47,760
they managed to crash a flying saucer

3005
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:50,320
and from that flying saucer came a whole

3006
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:52,239
bunch of different technology and and so

3007
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,470
all you need is a crash ship you don't

3008
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,239
even need a flying saucer you actually

3009
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:02,000
just need the idea of it like how would

3010
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,840
it get here and then you start thinking

3011
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,000
about electrogravitics so the saucer can

3012
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:07,760
crash in your mind

3013
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,360
um and in that sense when you realize

3014
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:13,360
that you don't even need a flying saucer

3015
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:15,760
to crash for lockheed martin to start

3016
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,280
building flying sources is uh is getting

3017
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:21,119
kind of back to that campfire's edge way

3018
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:22,639
of doing it and i i think that's the

3019
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:25,040
middle ground i think um you have to

3020
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:26,639
have you have to hold two ideas in your

3021
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:28,840
head simultaneously which is

3022
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:31,360
provably um powerful governments

3023
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:34,639
powerful western governments uh

3024
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:36,639
you know kings used to do it right but

3025
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,520
like in the 20th century

3026
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,440
the second half of it is essentially a

3027
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,440
lie

3028
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,280
it's essentially like a government

3029
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,800
policy lie

3030
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,159
uh

3031
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:49,760
have that idea in your head and then at

3032
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,600
the same time kind of have a more

3033
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,760
nuanced view of how you follow gx i'm

3034
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:55,520
not a huge greer fan

3035
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,400
uh i think he's very credulous um i

3036
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,320
don't think i also think he's very

3037
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:02,159
irresponsible with his beliefs to do

3038
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,679
with aliens and

3039
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,199
them you know more or less being our

3040
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,880
space brothers and and from a magical

3041
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:08,480
perspective he does things that i think

3042
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,360
are

3043
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:11,199
um

3044
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,000
colin andrews

3045
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:18,159
uh crop circle recordings while out in

3046
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:19,679
the desert to try and summon little

3047
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,199
lights now that's uh one

3048
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,800
you're just going to attract terrible

3049
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:26,639
demons doing that but to the stuff you

3050
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:29,840
see in in conditions like that you

3051
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,239
can't say you didn't hallucinate so i

3052
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:34,639
find him not very good i i think he's a

3053
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:37,360
very good example of

3054
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:38,400
i guess

3055
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:39,280
you know

3056
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:42,080
the canon of ufology in in

3057
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:44,080
20th and early 21st century but i i

3058
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,520
don't think there's a

3059
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:47,679
much anything that relies on that kind

3060
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:50,080
of well we have these whistleblowers

3061
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,239
is uh is provably ripe for

3062
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,719
misinformation and so you just kind of

3063
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,400
have to uh

3064
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,719
um keep a lot of that at arm's length if

3065
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:00,880
if you want to navigate it in in a way

3066
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:03,360
um and it also it comes back to the

3067
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:04,880
underlying world view is dysfunctional

3068
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:06,960
if you haven't managed to incorporate

3069
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:10,400
side effect and and so on in

3070
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:12,000
prior to having those discussions

3071
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:13,119
because then you start saying things

3072
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,800
like well aliens are beaming these

3073
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:16,320
thoughts into my mind and that's how i

3074
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:18,159
know they're there and you think well i

3075
01:47:21,290 --> 01:47:19,600
wonder if there isn't a better way of

3076
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:21,300
thinking about this

3077
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:23,840
[Laughter]

3078
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,880
uh

3079
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,560
you know it it okay

3080
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,920
and a perfect example of this um

3081
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,560
i'm not going to say

3082
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:33,679
and and

3083
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,000
i know um

3084
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:39,119
what's his name oh geez

3085
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,080
uh

3086
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:41,360
sorry i'm trying to be able to decide

3087
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,400
whether i actually want to say his name

3088
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:43,840
or not because he's been on many many

3089
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:46,560
podcasts before

3090
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,590
almost

3091
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:53,040
i'm trying to be able to find the exact

3092
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:54,159
name here

3093
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,199
okay well

3094
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:58,080
jack like for instance gerald clark

3095
01:48:02,870 --> 01:47:59,440
um

3096
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:02,880
again don't know the man personally

3097
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:05,280
but in terms of his interpretation and

3098
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:06,880
in terms of the way that he says his

3099
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,800
experiences are with regards to ancient

3100
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,960
history just seems a little bit too

3101
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,520
fantastical to me

3102
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:16,560
there's that idea of

3103
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,520
you know the the idea of what is it like

3104
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,280
is it real or is it not but there

3105
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,000
there's like with 3d animation have you

3106
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,199
heard of the the woo valley before

3107
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,920
no okay well in 3d animation

3108
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:32,239
uh when it comes to animating oh uncanny

3109
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:34,239
valley yeah uncanny valley well i've

3110
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,360
always heard is the woo valley but

3111
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:37,440
uncanny valley is the same idea

3112
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,320
it's the exact same thing where

3113
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:42,719
it looks cool enough but there's a

3114
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,639
certain point within

3115
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:47,119
3d animation of individual like actual

3116
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,719
humans

3117
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:50,000
where

3118
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,920
you start to like look at it you're like

3119
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,000
recognizing and saying that this is not

3120
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,400
real but you can't

3121
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,800
actually 100 say for sure

3122
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,719
and there there's this the part of your

3123
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:02,880
brain that says okay well that you know

3124
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:04,400
something's weird about what's going on

3125
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,159
here and i feel like a lot of you

3126
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:08,080
apology in a lot of uh you know ancient

3127
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:09,920
history with regards to aliens and a lot

3128
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,199
of alien

3129
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,719
um discussion that has happened

3130
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:14,320
especially within the last three years

3131
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,600
and this is one of the reasons why we

3132
01:49:19,590 --> 01:49:17,679
started this goddamn show was to try and

3133
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,600
cut through this [\h__\h]

3134
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,560
it it it enters that uncanny valley and

3135
01:49:25,590 --> 01:49:24,080
it's like kind of like the downwards

3136
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:25,600
like the initial downward slope where

3137
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:27,679
people can't tell the difference and

3138
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,800
because they've been exposed to so much

3139
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,400
information out there and whether it's

3140
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:34,400
from governments whether it's from just

3141
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,000
people trying to make a buck off of it

3142
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,080
in the moment like they've

3143
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,239
they buy into it until there's a certain

3144
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:43,040
amount of uh time goes past where they

3145
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,800
exit that that valley and it could be in

3146
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,880
within a week it could be within you

3147
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,800
know a couple of hours [\h__\h] it could

3148
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:50,480
be a couple of years

3149
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,440
but

3150
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,679
there there is a lot of

3151
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,199
misinformation whether it's from

3152
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,440
governments whether it is from

3153
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:59,360
uh individuals themselves who are just

3154
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,560
trying to make a buck and i can

3155
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,159
understand from some people it's okay

3156
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,840
it's entrepreneurship and they'll

3157
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,159
present it in a way that is

3158
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,920
here's the information we're gonna give

3159
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:09,360
you our view make up your minds for

3160
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,960
yourselves

3161
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,880
but there's a lot of gullible people out

3162
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,639
there unfortunately and that's kind of

3163
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:16,560
just what it just makes me sad to a

3164
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,520
certain extent because there's so much

3165
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:21,920
core information that they are

3166
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:25,840
foregoing or neglecting or or or just

3167
01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:28,639
skimming past which is relevant to our

3168
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:31,040
society or our species as a whole in

3169
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,040
terms of our development or in terms of

3170
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:35,199
our current state of being that they're

3171
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:37,440
they're they're going to look past

3172
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:38,800
because of

3173
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,119
uh you know of this spooky valley as it

3174
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,800
were

3175
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,560
well do you think we've ever really had

3176
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,119
an informed populace anywhere um i'm

3177
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,119
kind of a bit sanguine about it i don't

3178
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:50,719
one don't really care that much about

3179
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,840
people but to um

3180
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:56,239
i kind of struggle to

3181
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,080
like i appreciate it but the disclosure

3182
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,000
movement is is wrong in the sense that

3183
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,320
it it's fundamental assumption that the

3184
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,400
government is certainly lying it does

3185
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,639
that when it's lips are moving

3186
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:08,000
of course

3187
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:09,679
that's what they're saying

3188
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,560
uh but as for like the the promise of

3189
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:14,480
the disclosure movement is that somehow

3190
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:16,960
government officials have uh

3191
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,480
have the answer and i'm kind of in a

3192
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:20,639
more nick redfern camp about this which

3193
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,239
is i don't think they do i think the

3194
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:24,639
answers are private so they're kind of

3195
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,199
running off this cold war propaganda of

3196
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,520
uh which which was invented by the west

3197
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,199
in particularly the us

3198
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,840
to freak out the soviets like um the

3199
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,760
idea that those capitalist pigs had got

3200
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,599
their hooves on a flying saucer wouldn't

3201
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:40,080
have gone down well in in moscow at the

3202
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:41,679
time because

3203
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,480
that's the that you know that's what

3204
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:46,480
literally most of it comes from that and

3205
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,520
it's also

3206
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:49,679
air cover for experimental

3207
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,639
uh

3208
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:53,040
you know technology and so on during the

3209
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,639
course of the cold for and all this has

3210
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,239
been turned into some kind of quasi

3211
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,679
religion where the government is hiding

3212
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:58,960
all these things for people and

3213
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:02,159
demanding disclosure they don't know

3214
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,400
it's not it's not there anymore like if

3215
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,560
it was over there it's been privatized

3216
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,840
and the documents are going one of nick

3217
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,360
redfearn's best books for me is for

3218
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,520
nobody's eyes only where he actually

3219
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:13,119
looks at the fact that

3220
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,800
even people with top secret clearance

3221
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,719
when they go looking for records of

3222
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:18,639
things they're gone and it's very

3223
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:21,360
difficult to go on things from military

3224
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:22,639
archives

3225
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:25,599
um and in so i i don't know if people

3226
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:27,040
have ever really been informed the other

3227
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:28,960
thing that i think people miss is that

3228
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:34,790
with a

3229
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,800
it's challenging to systematize or

3230
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:41,599
neatly categorize these experiences that

3231
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,119
go into building up a world view towards

3232
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,199
something like disclosure and a good

3233
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:48,880
example for me comes from kind of

3234
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:51,199
history of european magic where

3235
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,800
if you look at the history of grimoires

3236
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,360
they warp so much through particularly

3237
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:03,990
13th to 17th century because they are

3238
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:05,840
essentially only half built they're

3239
01:53:10,149 --> 01:53:08,320
things that an individual magician or a

3240
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,159
close working group of them

3241
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:13,040
would use to gain contact to certain

3242
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:14,320
spirits

3243
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:17,280
and once that contact has been achieved

3244
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,520
between the two groups if you will so

3245
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,199
spirits and magicians

3246
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:24,080
um individualized practices and and

3247
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:27,119
modes of contact will emerge and a very

3248
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,800
good modern example of that is the skull

3249
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,040
experiments which is my favorite ever

3250
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:34,000
um society for psychical research uh

3251
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,679
research subject which is a group of

3252
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,599
people who sat for 20 years doing

3253
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,440
seances in

3254
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:41,520
in the east of england and got you know

3255
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:45,440
the usual kind of incredible effects

3256
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:48,159
out of it and and there's something

3257
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,920
the variance of experiences that we

3258
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:51,440
currently categorize as ufos

3259
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:52,639
particularly when it comes to things

3260
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,119
like abductions

3261
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:57,520
makes it difficult to systematize and

3262
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,159
and build a credible worldview on top of

3263
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,639
and in that sense like that the lack of

3264
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:05,440
the lack of an informed populace

3265
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,880
like what are we going to inform them of

3266
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:08,400
we don't actually know what's going on

3267
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,199
you know

3268
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:10,960
does that make sense well yeah like that

3269
01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:13,280
that's it and you know i i know i forget

3270
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,040
who the individual was

3271
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,189
you know even for myself like i've had

3272
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:20,960
jobs which required a certain amount of

3273
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:22,159
of clearance and i'm not going to

3274
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,760
discuss which clearance that was or how

3275
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:26,000
much information i had access to

3276
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,679
but even for myself if i left that

3277
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,480
position ultraviolet reptilian clearance

3278
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:33,040
you actually are david feller i know it

3279
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,840
well if if i were a david ike fellow the

3280
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,840
person that i would be again i'm 32nd

3281
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:39,679
degree freemasons so

3282
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:42,159
we're just below the point where i'm

3283
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,080
actually a reptilian like you know uh

3284
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:48,880
child molesting alien from you know zeta

3285
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,119
reticuli but you know you know i i'm not

3286
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:53,040
something to aim for yeah exactly so

3287
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:54,800
like yeah there there's some there

3288
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,199
there's a something to aim for but

3289
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:59,280
even within the jobs i've had i still

3290
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,639
don't

3291
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:02,080
disclose that

3292
01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:03,360
because i understand that there is a

3293
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,239
certain amount like even within

3294
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:06,239
freemasonry they say okay well you know

3295
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:07,360
we're going to give you some secrets and

3296
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:08,800
the secrets are basically the passwords

3297
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:11,119
the pass scripts the you know the the

3298
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,960
the hand grips or tokens

3299
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:14,719
and that and you know and the penalties

3300
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:15,920
other than that everything else in

3301
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:18,400
freemasonry is essentially open but

3302
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,920
we're giving those secrets because it's

3303
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:21,599
like are you a willfully purged

3304
01:55:24,629 --> 01:55:22,800
individual are you somebody who's going

3305
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:24,639
to be able to keep that secret and you

3306
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,840
have a conscience to be able to keep

3307
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:27,280
that secret or you're full of [\h__\h] and

3308
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:28,159
you're just going to give it out to

3309
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:29,199
anybody

3310
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,280
so a lot of these people who are within

3311
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,560
that realm if they have that information

3312
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:36,800
unless they are

3313
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:38,880
they honestly believe and that there is

3314
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,709
conscious reason to try and disclose it

3315
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,199
and they have something beyond their own

3316
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,639
word

3317
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,920
like let's say documents and they're

3318
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,040
willing to be able to disclose it

3319
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,440
firsthand and they're verifiable

3320
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,520
or you know of that sort

3321
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:58,080
they're like anything is suspect people

3322
01:56:01,830 --> 01:56:00,239
you know they're gonna wanna

3323
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:01,840
people wanna talk people are gonna try

3324
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:04,400
and and talk themselves up everyone

3325
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,880
tries to exaggerate or as dr house says

3326
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,719
everyone [\h__\h] lies

3327
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:10,080
um

3328
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,560
so the idea of of disclosure it's like

3329
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:14,560
well there's a lot of

3330
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,199
interesting information out there and

3331
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:19,599
i've seen crazy [\h__\h] in the sky i've

3332
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:21,599
seen

3333
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,960
uh glowing orbs to full on ufos in in

3334
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:26,480
broad daylight

3335
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:28,000
um

3336
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,199
beyond that

3337
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:31,599
i i've you know like i don't know is was

3338
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,920
it alien was it was it man-made is there

3339
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,760
information out there probably but

3340
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:37,440
whoever's disclosing it is it real or

3341
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:38,400
not

3342
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,920
that's kind of one of the main things

3343
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,280
and the people who are saying like i'm

3344
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:44,000
100 true in this hundred percent right

3345
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,679
usually the people who say that they are

3346
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,679
more right or more

3347
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:49,920
uh truthful are the ones who are lying

3348
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:52,080
the most in my experience i could be

3349
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:53,920
wrong

3350
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,639
yeah or do you know i'm deluded so what

3351
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,920
happens

3352
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:59,920
there appears to be trends in ufology as

3353
01:57:02,149 --> 01:57:00,719
well

3354
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:02,159
and the the kind of widespread

3355
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:03,599
misinterpretation if you think of like

3356
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:05,920
the 60s and 70s and adamski and

3357
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:08,159
stockholders and so on was

3358
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:10,880
a a misinterpretation of what i'm sure

3359
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,480
were real experiences whatever they

3360
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,679
happen to be

3361
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:15,760
and i i suspect we're heading back into

3362
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,159
that world now in a funny way um i think

3363
01:57:24,310 --> 01:57:20,560
we're heading into a star cult world

3364
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:24,320
um as people realize that the kind of

3365
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:27,040
um the disclosure project's world view

3366
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,520
is not correct um like that that kind of

3367
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:31,119
20th century

3368
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:34,080
big story of ufology is wrong um i think

3369
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:34,880
we

3370
01:57:42,070 --> 01:57:39,520
towards or in

3371
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,080
the swing of the pendulum back towards

3372
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,639
misinterpreting it in an overly mystical

3373
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:46,719
fashion again which is interesting just

3374
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:50,480
observationally i don't think we ever

3375
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:54,239
i don't think it is a phenomenon that

3376
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:55,360
likes

3377
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:57,760
the idea of being solved

3378
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:00,159
and i don't think it ever has and and

3379
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:03,520
kind of history is littered with the

3380
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:07,119
broken world views that have come from

3381
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:08,480
well the ones that have just gone out of

3382
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:11,679
date but clearly show

3383
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,480
attempts of a culture to to grapple with

3384
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:16,800
phenomena like these and uh and i think

3385
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:18,719
we're i think that's just the reality of

3386
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:21,119
it and it dances at the edge of

3387
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:24,320
speculation in a way that

3388
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:26,880
leads us in a direction it wants us to

3389
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,320
go and this is kind of what i mean about

3390
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:30,719
the last 120 years you don't need a

3391
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:32,800
flying saucer you just need the idea of

3392
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,440
it

3393
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,520
to uh to start to do some of the things

3394
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:36,800
we've done

3395
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:37,679
and

3396
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,920
that's interesting that so

3397
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:42,080
it sits there in the imaginal at the

3398
01:58:45,669 --> 01:58:43,920
edge of what is possible

3399
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:45,679
uh and and and how that would have

3400
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:48,080
manifested in suma or ancient egypt

3401
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:49,840
wouldn't be how it manifested in the

3402
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,440
20th century because they wouldn't have

3403
01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:53,520
been able to conceive of it in a way

3404
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:55,280
that would allow them to be

3405
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:57,920
manipulated or complexified

3406
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,560
and uh yeah but i i think in that sense

3407
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,639
i'm a bit valet and like i think there's

3408
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:04,080
i think

3409
01:59:11,669 --> 01:59:08,719
phenomena or its primary target is

3410
01:59:15,030 --> 01:59:11,679
culture rather than technology and uh

3411
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:15,040
technology falls out of that um cultural

3412
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,480
impact

3413
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:18,320
and uh i'm just gonna give you a uh

3414
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:20,080
because i'm looking at

3415
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:22,560
my youtube clock which is always wrong

3416
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,239
because i usually refresh

3417
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,920
uh i know we've got about 20 minutes

3418
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:28,080
left or so on this conversation so i

3419
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:29,280
just wanted to be able to give you that

3420
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:30,960
fair warning before we get into

3421
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:37,589
um sounds good cool let's um move into

3422
01:59:40,149 --> 01:59:39,440
something that is very interesting to me

3423
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:40,159
and

3424
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,080
what we built this show off of let's

3425
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:45,199
talk about ancient history and cultures

3426
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:46,480
there's a nice one

3427
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:48,400
well i i thought so

3428
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,560
i know that um

3429
01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:52,080
um

3430
01:59:57,109 --> 01:59:54,880
your talk with gramerica and that's i've

3431
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:57,119
listened to that episode and darren's

3432
02:00:01,589 --> 02:00:00,159
gonna bug me to no end and make fun of

3433
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:01,599
me for the next week because of it that

3434
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:03,119
is probably the most

3435
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:04,960
listened to episode of grime erica i've

3436
02:00:08,550 --> 02:00:06,480
ever listened i've listened i've ever

3437
02:00:10,229 --> 02:00:08,560
listened to besides the uh randall

3438
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:10,239
carlson episode they had like the first

3439
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:11,119
one

3440
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:12,320
uh just based around the fact that you

3441
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:13,679
guys went all over the place and a lot

3442
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:15,280
of it came down to

3443
02:00:18,950 --> 02:00:17,119
confirming the information that graham

3444
02:00:20,229 --> 02:00:18,960
hancock has discussed with regards to

3445
02:00:21,669 --> 02:00:20,239
sunderland

3446
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,679
and and

3447
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:23,599
you know the

3448
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:28,790
development past the younger driest you

3449
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:29,520
know

3450
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:31,280
past the younger driest extension

3451
02:00:35,669 --> 02:00:33,440
extinction event

3452
02:00:36,550 --> 02:00:35,679
from from your standpoint how how do you

3453
02:00:37,750 --> 02:00:36,560
see

3454
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:37,760
um

3455
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:40,480
world development from from past uh

3456
02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:42,639
comet impact to back into the younger

3457
02:00:46,790 --> 02:00:44,239
driest to

3458
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:46,800
uh the big melt as it were

3459
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:48,400
i don't think there was a comet impact i

3460
02:00:51,750 --> 02:00:50,960
don't think he's right about that okay

3461
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:51,760
okay

3462
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:53,520
let's start from there

3463
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:55,840
yeah the the comedy this this magical

3464
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:58,239
comment that comes and goes uh i i don't

3465
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:01,199
think the um i think magicians wasn't um

3466
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:03,360
graham's best book uh i think it was a

3467
02:01:07,990 --> 02:01:05,920
bit messy and this kind of coming going

3468
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:08,000
comment that conveniently only hit ice

3469
02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:09,440
sheets and that's why we don't have any

3470
02:01:14,390 --> 02:01:12,080
pieces of it um there are any number of

3471
02:01:16,709 --> 02:01:14,400
ways you can crack earth underneath very

3472
02:01:19,030 --> 02:01:16,719
heavy ice sheets for obvious reasons and

3473
02:01:21,750 --> 02:01:19,040
uh in my own book because i've been

3474
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:21,760
doing you know uh

3475
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:24,080
the um it's it's funny to hear words

3476
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:24,880
that

3477
02:02:10,709 --> 02:01:25,760
i

3478
02:02:12,709 --> 02:02:10,719
they don't care about us

3479
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:12,719
okay that's well

3480
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:14,800
and i i can understand that um in

3481
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:17,040
episode 22 we actually had

3482
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,840
randall carlson and robert shock on the

3483
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,040
same show

3484
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:23,520
and i

3485
02:02:27,030 --> 02:02:25,599
i'd heard from clay roop that john

3486
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:27,040
anthony west had always wanted to hear a

3487
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,960
debate or at least a discussion i i

3488
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:31,360
didn't understand from from a

3489
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:33,760
academic standpoint what an academic

3490
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:35,840
debate could be like or adversarial a

3491
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:37,760
debate could be like so

3492
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:39,920
um shock was very

3493
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:42,159
i'm gonna say he didn't want a [\h__\h]

3494
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,239
part of it because he's like [\h__\h] this

3495
02:02:49,189 --> 02:02:46,719
is gonna turn into a [\h__\h] show and i you

3496
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:49,199
know when i hear debate i hear a lively

3497
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:50,639
discussion like we're having right now

3498
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:52,880
like a chain you know a sharing of ideas

3499
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:54,080
as it were

3500
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:55,760
um

3501
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:58,000
shock is strictly uh colonel mass

3502
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:00,320
ejection randall carlson he's comment

3503
02:03:03,109 --> 02:03:02,480
impact slash at least a bullet impact

3504
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:03,119
and

3505
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:05,280
uh you know there's a the latest joe uh

3506
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:06,400
john anthony

3507
02:03:14,629 --> 02:03:10,480
joe rogan experience that they were on i

3508
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,639
don't know the straights uh

3509
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:16,719
don't know the exact number i think it

3510
02:03:21,589 --> 02:03:18,960
was like it was like the top

3511
02:03:23,589 --> 02:03:21,599
um 913s

3512
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:23,599
uh it was a number

3513
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:25,440
episode 961

3514
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:28,400
and the one of the researchers

3515
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:29,920
that came on actually disproved the

3516
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:31,199
common impact he said it was some type

3517
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:32,960
of extraterrestrial experience like

3518
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:34,400
experience whether it was

3519
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:36,320
um he was thinking more meteorite or

3520
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:37,280
like a

3521
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:42,639
of of matter that just came in um but

3522
02:03:46,709 --> 02:03:44,480
still like the the jury's still out

3523
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,719
there it's not 100 confirmed

3524
02:03:51,990 --> 02:03:48,320
but something did happen whether it was

3525
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,000
colonel mass ejection whether it was a

3526
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:54,880
whether it was some impact from some

3527
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,119
object from outer space but the fact is

3528
02:04:01,430 --> 02:03:59,280
something did happen to the planet that

3529
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:01,440
brought it back into that younger dryas

3530
02:04:06,390 --> 02:04:03,040
or into that deep freeze which we call

3531
02:04:12,390 --> 02:04:09,510
the experience of humanity afterwards in

3532
02:04:14,470 --> 02:04:12,400
terms of religion in terms of belief has

3533
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:14,480
always been

3534
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:16,000
characterized around the corpulent

3535
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:18,000
goddess are are you aware

3536
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:20,000
are you familiar with that um that that

3537
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:21,760
term

3538
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:23,760
uh i know what corpulent means but i

3539
02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:25,760
don't know if i've heard that term now

3540
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:27,520
okay corpulent comes to googling right

3541
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,199
now

3542
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:31,199
uh it's a figurine uh goddess and

3543
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:33,440
goddesses of old europe seven oh so yeah

3544
02:04:38,390 --> 02:04:35,119
yeah all right so like a venus of

3545
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:38,400
wilindo kind of idea yes uh now i know

3546
02:04:42,950 --> 02:04:39,119
that

3547
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:42,960
and

3548
02:04:46,070 --> 02:04:44,239
this is going to go a little bit off

3549
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:46,080
topic but

3550
02:04:50,189 --> 02:04:49,040
the most recent episode of magical egypt

3551
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:50,199
2. you can check it out at

3552
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:54,000
magicalegypt.com scotch for your 10 off

3553
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:55,440
is above

3554
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,560
um

3555
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:59,040
have to plug it that's kind of my thing

3556
02:05:02,470 --> 02:05:00,719
you got to support

3557
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:02,480
the idea that

3558
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:04,400
that figurine is

3559
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:06,400
not only a

3560
02:05:10,470 --> 02:05:09,280
figurine of

3561
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:10,480
i'm going to say

3562
02:05:14,149 --> 02:05:12,400
you know a celestial deity of some kind

3563
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:14,159
but it's also a representation of a part

3564
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:15,760
of the brain apparently

3565
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,430
if you take the standard

3566
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:25,920
mode of

3567
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:28,320
development within society you are

3568
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:29,840
thinking that okay well they've got this

3569
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:31,280
figurine it came from somewhere they

3570
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:37,030
obviously magical egypt 2 has not

3571
02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:39,119
finished airing at this point but the

3572
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,040
idea that it's a cross section of the

3573
02:05:46,830 --> 02:05:43,119
brain or the brain stem from a certain

3574
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:46,840
angle is quite interesting

3575
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:49,679
now from a development standpoint

3576
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:50,960
do you think this type like medical

3577
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,719
knowledge or this type of knowledge of

3578
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,800
anatomy or the human being could have

3579
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:56,159
been

3580
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:00,790
um

3581
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:03,920
so let me just stack those ifs so

3582
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:05,599
a lot of if i know i'm sorry if there

3583
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:08,000
was a comet and then afterwards if there

3584
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:10,800
was a change to religion

3585
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:18,229
represents this religious change

3586
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:21,040
its passing resemblance to

3587
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:22,480
the the brain

3588
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,639
or from a certain cross-section could

3589
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,960
mean something medically well

3590
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,159
uh

3591
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:30,560
have you read starships by any chance

3592
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:32,719
um you know unfortunately i have not

3593
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:34,480
okay well good because this is gonna

3594
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:36,560
sound new to you then

3595
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:38,000
um

3596
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:39,840
when you find

3597
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,920
out of place technological complexity in

3598
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:45,119
history

3599
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:46,639
and you mentioned lads granted and i'll

3600
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,840
come back around to that because i think

3601
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:49,199
that's a good example of i don't think

3602
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,840
he realizes what he's got um oh [\h__\h]

3603
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:54,000
well i i talk to lairds on a fairly

3604
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:55,679
regular basis so i'll pass

3605
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,800
i i like his stuff um and i spoke to

3606
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,280
greg about um but before he he went on

3607
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,840
hindsight chats greg said should i ask

3608
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:05,440
him about this stuff and this is what

3609
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:07,040
i'm going to say now um and he's very

3610
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,470
we have so

3611
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:15,040
stack all those ifs and this is i guess

3612
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:16,639
one of the main problems with some of

3613
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,360
the um

3614
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:21,360
the kind of high technology assumptions

3615
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:24,079
about old kingdom egypt in particular

3616
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,760
uh they say ah this looks like the brain

3617
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:28,320
stem they must have known about um you

3618
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,239
know neurosurgery well it doesn't mean

3619
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:32,639
that at all uh same thing with the

3620
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:36,079
surprising um kind of chromosomal

3621
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,440
or chromosomal um iconography associated

3622
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:41,840
with the nomo and the domons like you

3623
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:43,520
can look at them this is loud stuff

3624
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:45,119
right you can look at them and go yeah

3625
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:46,880
that's a very good interpretation this

3626
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:49,199
looks like cells and they didn't have

3627
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:50,719
microscopes so why does it look like

3628
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:55,189
if something looks like the brain stem

3629
02:08:00,550 --> 02:07:57,199
or cells or if you have something that

3630
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:00,560
appears to look like dna and so on to me

3631
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,480
i interpret that as evidence that

3632
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,840
whatever we've entangled our

3633
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:05,360
consciousness with

3634
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:07,360
it that's evidence of good contact

3635
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:09,280
because we're getting this stuff

3636
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:11,280
you know so our ancestors 30 000 years

3637
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,800
ago are being shown these things that

3638
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,040
they have no understanding of where to

3639
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:17,599
say well so the machine holes or

3640
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,960
whatever you want to call them showed me

3641
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,239
this and i'm going to draw it or i'm

3642
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,119
going to carve it and for me that is

3643
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,760
very good evidence for that

3644
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:27,760
consciousness entanglement model which

3645
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,239
is what starships is about

3646
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:32,560
rather than kind of over interpreting it

3647
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:35,199
and i think a lot of that kind of world

3648
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,280
the idea that they set these things up

3649
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:39,520
as warnings for us and so on is modern

3650
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,599
interpretations that don't

3651
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:43,520
i don't think are very credible because

3652
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:46,079
we can't even stop you know over the

3653
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:48,000
course of history [\h__\h] or eating our

3654
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:49,840
own children or like you know the

3655
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,520
neighbors children or so on the idea

3656
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:54,480
that we're we care about

3657
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:57,040
americans 12 000 years after gobekli

3658
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,880
tepe and we need to let them know about

3659
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:00,960
what's possibly a comet i don't think

3660
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:02,639
it's a very good interpretation of what

3661
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:04,960
is definitely there which is really

3662
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:07,360
really curious iconography that has some

3663
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:09,280
resemblance to what modern medicine is

3664
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:12,239
showing us um you would expect in an

3665
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:15,040
hypothesis where

3666
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:16,719
magic ritual or whatever you want to

3667
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:20,400
call it allows us to communicate with

3668
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:23,280
non-physical or extra-dimensional beings

3669
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,679
you would expect that process to be to

3670
02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:27,920
to artifact the way it does

3671
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,480
by having these weird different

3672
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,560
things that shouldn't be there and and

3673
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:34,480
instead of inventing the idea that you

3674
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:38,400
know uh the great pyramid is is a is an

3675
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:42,000
electrical weapon you go what or

3676
02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:44,079
here's a thought they were that good at

3677
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:46,800
ritual that they're actually kind of

3678
02:09:50,310 --> 02:09:47,760
um

3679
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,320
we can use the the bizarre uh

3680
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:52,800
implications of technology as as proof

3681
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,400
that they're actually being shown things

3682
02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:56,800
by real extradimensional entities and i

3683
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:58,159
think that

3684
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:00,400
that's the kind of broad thesis that

3685
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:02,800
underpins starships

3686
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,280
and uh and i think frankly it's better

3687
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:07,440
than um than than trying to say well

3688
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:08,639
look at how advanced their medical

3689
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:09,920
knowledge was you don't know that but

3690
02:10:13,189 --> 02:10:11,360
you they're talking to something that

3691
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,199
showed a brainstorm that if you've ever

3692
02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:16,239
taken hallucinogenic drugs um that stuff

3693
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:19,520
happens well i have not so that's um

3694
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:21,679
there you go i have

3695
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:27,350
sorry just quietly listening in on this

3696
02:10:33,589 --> 02:10:30,800
conversation that's so much appreciated

3697
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:33,599
so from from the

3698
02:10:37,910 --> 02:10:36,079
development of and okay and i'm seeing a

3699
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:37,920
lot of uh info

3700
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:39,599
information being passed back and forth

3701
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:42,239
in the chat um information by saying

3702
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:43,679
everyone's like there was a catastrophe

3703
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:45,679
we don't care what it was we just want

3704
02:10:49,830 --> 02:10:47,840
to know that actually happened what

3705
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:49,840
happened from there okay so we've just

3706
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:52,000
established that the whole brain stem

3707
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:52,880
theory

3708
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:54,159
doesn't really matter in the grand

3709
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:56,239
scheme of things

3710
02:11:01,990 --> 02:10:59,520
from a development standpoint why is

3711
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:02,000
there such a

3712
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:04,239
large pushback

3713
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:06,320
from the current community and i've

3714
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:07,840
heard anything from ego i've heard

3715
02:11:12,069 --> 02:11:09,280
anything from

3716
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:12,079
uh you know just lack of evidence to

3717
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:13,920
with regards to mainstream archaeology

3718
02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:14,800
or even

3719
02:11:17,910 --> 02:11:16,639
semi-mainstream archaeology from saying

3720
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:17,920
that you know we're only about seven

3721
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:19,840
thousand years old that's it like in

3722
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:22,960
your experience what what's caused it

3723
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:26,320
um i don't know if that's if that's true

3724
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:28,320
anymore i think alternate history

3725
02:11:32,629 --> 02:11:31,760
invents a argument um it was certainly

3726
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:32,639
true

3727
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:36,239
you know

3728
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:39,760
1950s to 1970s but

3729
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:42,159
during the course of writing starships i

3730
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:44,560
i spoke to these asterologists and and

3731
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:46,159
so on and they're they're fine with it

3732
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,840
the trouble is if you if you have an

3733
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:49,760
academic career

3734
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:51,599
uh it's not like they're defending this

3735
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:53,760
3 500 bc

3736
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:56,320
date that we we we kind of get that kind

3737
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:58,800
of mid-20th century um model of history

3738
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:59,760
from

3739
02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:01,280
it's just that

3740
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:02,960
um you have on one side of people going

3741
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:04,560
huh like you know

3742
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:07,760
you guys mainstream academics are wrong

3743
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:09,840
um

3744
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:11,920
it started before 3 500 bc in the

3745
02:12:14,870 --> 02:12:13,440
mainstream academics we look at and go

3746
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:14,880
well yeah i don't know where you've been

3747
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,560
the last 40 years but in the meantime

3748
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:18,320
you're talking about

3749
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:20,800
land speeders in egypt and and and all

3750
02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:24,000
this stuff and that's not correct

3751
02:12:29,189 --> 02:12:26,719
so i don't i think a lot of that debate

3752
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:29,199
is in fact invented um

3753
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:31,760
my concern with academia is that it

3754
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:32,960
moves

3755
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:34,960
i call it academic generations again

3756
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:36,880
it's in starships but

3757
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:39,360
you can a bad idea can persist for about

3758
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,840
a hundred years by virtue of how

3759
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,679
academia is structured and how you have

3760
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:45,440
to kind of agree with the person who is

3761
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:47,119
more or less responsible for your client

3762
02:12:51,589 --> 02:12:49,440
within a department and and so on so

3763
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:51,599
there are a bunch of dumb ideas that

3764
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:53,599
are in the way of in the way of going

3765
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:57,119
out um but the the dysfunction

3766
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,000
that presents itself within public

3767
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:02,480
versions of history is again the

3768
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:05,280
materialist one rather than a

3769
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:06,560
there's no one

3770
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:09,199
no one would dare defend

3771
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:11,840
the the kind of eurocentric um

3772
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,840
progressive technology

3773
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,920
view of history in any history

3774
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:17,679
department or amongst any historians

3775
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:19,920
that i actually know personally so i

3776
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:21,840
don't know if that's actually where the

3777
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:23,840
challenge is i actually think

3778
02:13:26,950 --> 02:13:25,199
it's almost a plague on both their

3779
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:26,960
houses observation

3780
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:28,560
that

3781
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:31,040
the land speed of stuff is idiotic and

3782
02:13:35,430 --> 02:13:33,520
and so is this kind of a materialist

3783
02:13:38,069 --> 02:13:35,440
utilitarian explanation that you will

3784
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:38,079
get in uh in the quote-unquote uh

3785
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:40,000
mainstream like everyone's arguing about

3786
02:13:43,270 --> 02:13:41,280
the wrong thing

3787
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:43,280
uh in this case well hell even i've

3788
02:13:46,709 --> 02:13:45,280
gotten david roll to consider the or at

3789
02:13:48,709 --> 02:13:46,719
least admit to the possibility of

3790
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:48,719
atlantis or at least as far as the way

3791
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:50,800
that it's been described by plato

3792
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:53,280
so there there is some movement by by

3793
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:54,960
mainstream

3794
02:14:01,669 --> 02:13:57,360
the major idea is

3795
02:14:05,270 --> 02:14:03,189
there are so many points of evidence

3796
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,280
that are out there like even recently

3797
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:07,280
within the last two months there was a

3798
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,079
team in san diego that found a human

3799
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:12,480
settlement potentially quote unquote

3800
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:15,199
i'll use quote unquote just to uh kind

3801
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:16,880
of protect myself from

3802
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:19,040
uh those who say i'm i'm saying it is or

3803
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:20,400
not

3804
02:14:23,350 --> 02:14:21,760
that um

3805
02:14:25,189 --> 02:14:23,360
you know there was human develop like

3806
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:25,199
there was human activity here in north

3807
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:27,440
america 130 000 years ago which would

3808
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:29,360
completely throw out

3809
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:30,480
the uh

3810
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:32,239
the

3811
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:35,040
you know enter entry into north america

3812
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:36,159
via the

3813
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:38,400
bering strait uh bridge hypothesis

3814
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:40,159
because well if they were supposed to be

3815
02:14:44,390 --> 02:14:41,599
here

3816
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:44,400
20 000 years ago 15 000 years ago then

3817
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:46,400
why are these people here 150 000 years

3818
02:14:50,390 --> 02:14:49,119
ago 130 000 years ago

3819
02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:50,400
um

3820
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:52,560
and that brings into to mind that okay

3821
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:55,360
you've got the solution hypothesis which

3822
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:56,639
would bring

3823
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:59,119
western europeans here to eastern north

3824
02:15:03,510 --> 02:15:00,480
america

3825
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:03,520
via boat during the ice age and if you

3826
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:06,880
listen to randall carlson uh his idea is

3827
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:09,360
that at least the mid-atlantic was full

3828
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:10,960
of archipelago

3829
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:13,599
archipelagos and was fairly moderate at

3830
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:16,159
this point for weather

3831
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:17,360
or

3832
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:19,360
you know the polynesian

3833
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,840
style of travel which was island hopping

3834
02:15:26,149 --> 02:15:24,400
like i know that there are dna strands

3835
02:15:28,310 --> 02:15:26,159
on the western coast of south america

3836
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:28,320
which uh relate back to

3837
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:30,239
uh you know relate back to asia but

3838
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:31,440
we're talking

3839
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:33,360
many many many many

3840
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:35,840
thousands of years before anybody from

3841
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:37,040
that part of the world was supposed to

3842
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:43,030
sure um

3843
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,719
i don't know if it throws out the this

3844
02:15:48,390 --> 02:15:46,000
is this again this is a very good

3845
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,400
example of what i mean by um

3846
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:50,239
you know alternate history is just as

3847
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,840
bad as mainstream history it doesn't

3848
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:53,840
throw out the bearing straight

3849
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,360
hypothesis um what it does is shows that

3850
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:59,440
other things were going on uh beforehand

3851
02:16:01,990 --> 02:16:00,719
and i think in a lot of cases

3852
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:02,000
particularly with the americas because

3853
02:16:06,229 --> 02:16:03,760
there are some very good stuff in

3854
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:06,239
central and south america that is at the

3855
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:10,000
150 to 200 000 year old mark now firstly

3856
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:13,040
what we found is settlements so

3857
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:15,360
we don't know if they were homo sapien

3858
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:16,960
sapiens and

3859
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:18,800
with each passing year it looks like our

3860
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:21,280
hominin cousins were basically about as

3861
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:23,760
smart as us so it could have been them

3862
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,440
it also could have been and i asked this

3863
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:27,760
because i when i was doing the book

3864
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:30,000
um when i was doing starships i went to

3865
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,479
oxford to talk to the kind of out of

3866
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:33,679
africa

3867
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,880
um

3868
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:36,160
project

3869
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:38,000
and i said here's the thing

3870
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:40,319
explain what would happen if there was

3871
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:42,399
an earlier colonizing group out of

3872
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,599
africa

3873
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,359
and they died

3874
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,800
without passing on their genetic

3875
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,399
material they're going to show up and

3876
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:50,880
obviously the answer is no it's also yes

3877
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:52,399
ish because

3878
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:54,160
then you kind of have to hope that

3879
02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:55,519
there's genetic material at one of their

3880
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:57,120
sites otherwise you're in a needle in

3881
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:59,519
the haystack looking for where they plug

3882
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:01,920
back into to this journey before leaving

3883
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:02,960
africa

3884
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:03,760
so

3885
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:05,439
um i think

3886
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,200
a lot of that went on with the americas

3887
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:08,639
um so it doesn't throw out that there

3888
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:10,639
was a genetic micro you can you can

3889
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:13,040
track it linguistically people arrived

3890
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:15,280
around 15 000 bc

3891
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,319
um

3892
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:18,399
from kind of like northern eurasia into

3893
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:20,080
the americas that that happened they

3894
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:21,040
didn't

3895
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:26,719
um but there was that migratory wave and

3896
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:28,719
this is the piece both sides and

3897
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:30,479
particularly alternate history when you

3898
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:32,080
have a hammer everything looks like a

3899
02:17:35,270 --> 02:17:32,960
nail

3900
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:35,280
and so everything has to be this one

3901
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:37,200
atlantis

3902
02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:38,960
there was a comet and everything comes

3903
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,200
from atlantis kind of idea simply

3904
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:42,800
because and this is the correct

3905
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:45,679
observation piece of it um there are

3906
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,880
things that have happened that are

3907
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:49,120
outside of the accepted model history at

3908
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:51,280
the moment but to to you kind of weave

3909
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:52,800
it into this narrative my favorite and

3910
02:17:58,870 --> 02:17:56,319
most frustrating one is um is trying to

3911
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:58,880
bend over backwards using meteorological

3912
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:01,359
effects to demonstrate how exodus might

3913
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,800
have happened like

3914
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:04,000
this is not

3915
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:07,519
um this is when we come this is

3916
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:10,000
going back to data and interpretations

3917
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:13,359
uh if you fuse them together uh they're

3918
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:15,439
not very useful

3919
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,920
uh and and i think this is one of the

3920
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:20,160
challenges that presents itself it also

3921
02:18:25,309 --> 02:18:21,760
may be the

3922
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:25,319
function of alternate history

3923
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:26,960
atlantology

3924
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:29,679
as an idea has been around for a very

3925
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:31,599
very long time i mean this is what

3926
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:35,679
happens when european empires discover

3927
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,559
or more to the point invade egypt

3928
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,000
centuries before they know how to read

3929
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,319
hieroglyphs so you you get this kind of

3930
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,319
um what i call in the book egyptosphere

3931
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:46,000
this idea of egypt

3932
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:47,280
um

3933
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,399
as as

3934
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:50,639
just wild speculation in you know

3935
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,639
napoleonic france and so on wild

3936
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,559
speculation because they can't read

3937
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:56,160
hieroglyphs that took

3938
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,920
much much longer

3939
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:58,960
and

3940
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:01,280
this is kind of just how we we tell

3941
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,559
stories to ourselves it doesn't mean the

3942
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,639
stories are right or wrong it just means

3943
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:06,399
we tell stories and and this is how they

3944
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:07,840
move through time

3945
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:10,479
and uh and and i there's a kind of

3946
02:19:15,429 --> 02:19:13,519
militarized alternate history view

3947
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:15,439
which is ah this completely up ends

3948
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:16,399
things and

3949
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:19,120
that's not really um

3950
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:21,679
that's not useful if we want to get to a

3951
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:24,000
more coherent and wider view of what's

3952
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:26,240
gone on with humans and and the story of

3953
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:31,589
that makes a lot of sense

3954
02:19:35,190 --> 02:19:33,679
um

3955
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:35,200
you know i think we're coming to about

3956
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,120
the end here because i know that we're

3957
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:39,120
about uh about the two hour and thirty

3958
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,599
minute mark from since we started

3959
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:42,880
so have you been waiting around for the

3960
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:44,960
sandwich stuff uh well it's coming up

3961
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:46,240
well no

3962
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:48,559
also it's it's a matter of um the

3963
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,040
senators are also currently in overtime

3964
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:53,120
in game seven and it's a matter of i

3965
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:54,240
know my wife is probably saying like

3966
02:19:58,630 --> 02:19:56,960
where the hell is chris and uh

3967
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,640
it's so you know

3968
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:00,720
i i i don't admit after the beautiful

3969
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:02,319
part is free for the time difference

3970
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:03,600
it's mid afternoon for you there it's

3971
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,040
about like 2 30 in the afternoon right

3972
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:06,720
now four o'clock

3973
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,520
one p.m oh well that's even better

3974
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,590
are there any closing uh

3975
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:15,439
uh statements or arguments you'd like to

3976
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:17,280
be able to make

3977
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,640
uh

3978
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,880
what am i being accused of

3979
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:22,240
yeah

3980
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:24,000
being an absolutely awesome

3981
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:26,720
gentleman and a wonderful guest and one

3982
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:28,880
of the best people we've had on here to

3983
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:31,439
talk about wild mind-blowing things

3984
02:20:35,590 --> 02:20:33,439
well if that's the case then the defense

3985
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:35,600
or the prosecution whichever one i am

3986
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:36,720
rests

3987
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,280
and uh and thank you very much uh it's

3988
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:41,359
been a it's been a it's been a really uh

3989
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:43,600
really fun conversation

3990
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:46,399
uh well you know and as i expected for

3991
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:47,840
our conversation it was going to go all

3992
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:49,200
over the place

3993
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:54,870
yeah that's that's pretty like nico do

3994
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:56,880
you have anything to do dad you got just

3995
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:59,439
that it's been fun and uh and a

3996
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:00,800
privilege

3997
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:03,120
and well thank you very much i apologize

3998
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:05,680
for being more of a a wallflower than uh

3999
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:07,280
than uh contributing anything meaningful

4000
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,760
to the conversation but uh well i i have

4001
02:21:12,710 --> 02:21:11,359
to say it like again big sexy alex

4002
02:21:14,630 --> 02:21:12,720
probably would have contributed a lot

4003
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:14,640
more but big sexy nico he's got that

4004
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:16,479
giant beard on him

4005
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:18,800
and he's he's not my regular co-host but

4006
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:19,840
um

4007
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,840
like alex grow some facial hair cuz man

4008
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,600
you got some competition bro i'm just

4009
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,439
i'm just saying i'm just saying

4010
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:27,840
uh so i'm going to play some outro music

4011
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:32,630
we usually we usually get our guests

4012
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,359
pick by a song name

4013
02:21:38,830 --> 02:21:37,760
so i'm going to go with uh your choices

4014
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:38,840
are sacred

4015
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:42,399
knowledge spellbound

4016
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,520
um

4017
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,520
waking up

4018
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:47,680
or

4019
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:55,590
last one

4020
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:56,960
he who destroys all i haven't actually

4021
02:22:04,870 --> 02:22:03,429
oh this is like some like crazy violin

4022
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,880
[\h__\h] going on here so

4023
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,720
for ladies and gentlemen who are still

4024
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:08,399
on the show we're gonna have denver

4025
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:10,880
michael's on here in just a second to uh

4026
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:14,399
give us a sandwich contest update

4027
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:16,160
uh denver

4028
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,560
if you're listening

4029
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,840
he's locking the skype right now

4030
02:22:21,970 --> 02:22:21,280
fantastic

4031
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:21,980
um

4032
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:23,439
[Music]

4033
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:25,520
gordon this uh this conversation's been

4034
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,960
is about as amazing as i can actually

4035
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:28,319
expect we'd love to have you on the show

4036
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:29,920
at some point in the future

4037
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:32,479
uh you're always welcome in the den and

4038
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,240
i will plug roon soup whenever i can

4039
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,240
nice one thanks again it's my pleasure

4040
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:40,479
have yourself a wonderful weekend

4041
02:22:49,050 --> 02:22:57,670
[Music]

4042
02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:00,469
ladies and gentlemen that was the great

4043
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:01,920
gordon white

4044
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:03,520
and this is some pretty epic [\h__\h]

4045
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:05,680
music

4046
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:07,359
what do you think nico uh i think it

4047
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:10,240
sounds like uh the intro to uh uh you

4048
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:27,750
let's get denver in here

4049
02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:29,750
you know what i mean though yeah it's

4050
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:31,920
like free space too yeah there are

4051
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:34,490
armadas clashing to this track exactly

4052
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:39,750
one second here hello

4053
02:23:43,570 --> 02:23:42,080
hello uh denver give me a second air

4054
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:43,580
trying to uh

4055
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:48,000
[Music]

4056
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:49,600
oh wait let me move this a little bit to

4057
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:50,800
the uh

4058
02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:52,720
center

4059
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:57,990
denver how you doing

4060
02:24:01,670 --> 02:23:59,920
i'm good man how's it going you have a

4061
02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:01,680
picture behind you today

4062
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:03,520
yeah do you see who it is no i can't

4063
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:05,040
because this is a giant spotlight in

4064
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:10,630
oh it's kramer oh my god

4065
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:13,760
cosmo [\h__\h] creamer

4066
02:24:21,770 --> 02:24:16,080
so i'm going to just get your get get

4067
02:24:21,780 --> 02:24:25,830
[Music]

4068
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:31,030
there we go

4069
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:38,389
there's

4070
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:40,389
every [\h__\h] time

4071
02:24:46,230 --> 02:24:44,160
sandwiches to this

4072
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:46,240
uh so denver um

4073
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:53,990
welcome to the denver michaels uh

4074
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:56,399
sandwich contest update

4075
02:25:03,510 --> 02:24:58,479
brought to you by the letter z

4076
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:05,750
color orange color orange thank you

4077
02:25:09,670 --> 02:25:07,920
appreciate that uh so denver i know

4078
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:09,680
we've we've had a lot of updates like a

4079
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,880
lot of entries in the last week

4080
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:14,720
how has it been going

4081
02:25:20,070 --> 02:25:17,120
yeah i uh i managed to knock out a few

4082
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:20,080
of them this week i uh i posted one on

4083
02:25:25,590 --> 02:25:22,479
uh i did a twitter update on the one

4084
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:25,600
post a little video i think on sunday

4085
02:25:28,870 --> 02:25:27,520
yeah we had um

4086
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:28,880
and actually you know what this week

4087
02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:30,560
we've got a little uh movement on the

4088
02:25:36,710 --> 02:25:33,200
leaderboard so um

4089
02:25:39,510 --> 02:25:36,720
exciting things are happening

4090
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:39,520
kevin your position may have been

4091
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:41,040
usurped

4092
02:25:45,349 --> 02:25:43,120
just just you you've held the number one

4093
02:25:48,469 --> 02:25:45,359
spot for like the last two months i'm

4094
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:48,479
just saying bruh just like get get ready

4095
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:49,680
go for it

4096
02:25:56,950 --> 02:25:54,640
yeah so uh we had a um turkey pesto salt

4097
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:56,960
and pepper sandwich i think uh mark

4098
02:26:03,590 --> 02:25:59,920
catalano sent that in

4099
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:03,600
i scored that at a nine which knocks off

4100
02:26:09,750 --> 02:26:06,240
uh jared and kevin that were in the two

4101
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:09,760
spots so we've got a new number two now

4102
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:12,960
so that's uh kevin from the uk

4103
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,880
and jared who has been traveling all

4104
02:26:19,590 --> 02:26:16,560
around south america

4105
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,600
uh all of the methodologies

4106
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:21,680
all of the megalithic sites and who is

4107
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,160
now i think in uh christ church

4108
02:26:27,990 --> 02:26:26,720
on uh in uh new zealand

4109
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:28,000
like he's been listening to the show

4110
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:29,359
right now

4111
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:31,439
he was at least earlier on but uh he's

4112
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:37,670
now can we like add some number like a

4113
02:26:40,550 --> 02:26:39,520
third place spot like a fight to the

4114
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:40,560
death

4115
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:41,920
you know like

4116
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:44,960
like a mortal combat style

4117
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,240
we'll talk about that we'll talk about

4118
02:26:51,190 --> 02:26:48,640
that we'll talk about that so

4119
02:26:54,070 --> 02:26:51,200
who's the the first uh like the first

4120
02:26:55,270 --> 02:26:54,080
two spots as well as the last spot which

4121
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:55,280
is the

4122
02:26:58,070 --> 02:26:57,040
shittiest sandwich you've received so

4123
02:27:00,550 --> 02:26:58,080
far

4124
02:27:03,030 --> 02:27:00,560
well so we had um i had one more

4125
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:03,040
sandwich uh the the the worst sandwich

4126
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:07,359
so far is ellen at uh at a score of two

4127
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:11,359
that was a warm tuna on toast with peas

4128
02:27:16,070 --> 02:27:13,200
oh my gosh

4129
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:16,080
still it's just so bad i mean one bite

4130
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:18,479
i'm just like blah but uh she got a

4131
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:20,800
little run for her money this week from

4132
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:23,840
uh robert newell jr

4133
02:27:28,870 --> 02:27:26,720
he had a peanut butter bologna lettuce

4134
02:27:31,430 --> 02:27:28,880
tomato and mayo

4135
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:40,469
[Music]

4136
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:43,120
okay um denver that entire last bit just

4137
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:45,840
just like got completely garbled out

4138
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:51,910
my end um it may be i don't know i'm

4139
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:53,359
also streaming the hockey game on my

4140
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:55,040
cell phone

4141
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:56,479
but it's on a completely separate

4142
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:58,319
internet than the stream we're on so we

4143
02:28:02,150 --> 02:27:59,920
should be fine

4144
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,160
can you hear me now okay

4145
02:28:06,630 --> 02:28:04,479
god damn verizon salesman

4146
02:28:08,790 --> 02:28:06,640
yeah we can hear a fine you're good

4147
02:28:11,670 --> 02:28:08,800
oh okay well anyway i was just saying

4148
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:11,680
that uh ellen got a run for her money

4149
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:14,800
robert newell jr sent in a peanut butter

4150
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:17,680
bologna lettuce and tomato and mayo

4151
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:19,359
sandwich and um

4152
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:21,760
it was pretty bad but i'm keeping ellen

4153
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:23,680
at the bottom

4154
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:25,200
ellen if you're still listening you are

4155
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:27,680
still the worst of the worst

4156
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:28,960
and also the

4157
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,720
but number one in my heart

4158
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:32,960
for this show thank you very much she's

4159
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:35,840
been a good sport she has been

4160
02:28:40,790 --> 02:28:37,840
we've been killing her every week yeah

4161
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:40,800
she's been a good sport and uh let's see

4162
02:28:47,670 --> 02:28:42,960
who what else did i try uh jim mallard

4163
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:47,680
just sent in the classic uh blt uh one

4164
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:50,240
toasted one not toasted so i averaged

4165
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:51,600
the scores

4166
02:28:58,469 --> 02:28:55,120
i gave it a 5.7

4167
02:29:02,230 --> 02:28:58,479
yeah blt is just okay i don't love

4168
02:29:05,429 --> 02:29:02,240
i i don't like tomatoes on my family so

4169
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,439
it kind of kills it for a blt so well

4170
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,600
that's this week's update jim we

4171
02:29:10,070 --> 02:29:09,040
appreciate your contribution but you're

4172
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:10,080
[\h__\h]

4173
02:29:14,469 --> 02:29:12,479
well you know he'll be all right i guess

4174
02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:14,479
well he's not winning [\h__\h] but he's he's

4175
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:16,399
also like the host of a show that gets

4176
02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:19,200
like what like 20 30 000 more people a

4177
02:29:22,070 --> 02:29:20,399
week than we do

4178
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:22,080
yeah i think he's doing just fine he's

4179
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:23,520
doing just fine

4180
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:25,120
um

4181
02:29:28,870 --> 02:29:26,720
so uh

4182
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:28,880
like i know i've been sending you like

4183
02:29:32,230 --> 02:29:30,560
people left right and center

4184
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:32,240
at the last week i know we've gotten one

4185
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:34,880
recently which is on our uh

4186
02:29:39,190 --> 02:29:37,040
50 fades darker episode from which was

4187
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:39,200
episode 37

4188
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:41,200
yeah um that i know you're putting the

4189
02:29:45,590 --> 02:29:42,880
queue so

4190
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:45,600
yeah i've probably got about seven or so

4191
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:47,280
in the queue i've got a three day

4192
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:50,000
weekend coming up here i work tomorrow

4193
02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:52,560
but i'm off monday so hopefully i can i

4194
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:54,319
can get a bunch um

4195
02:29:58,630 --> 02:29:56,720
tested out here this weekend

4196
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:58,640
now i i know kevin from the uk is going

4197
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:00,399
to kill me because i know he sent in one

4198
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:03,040
recently over twitter today because i

4199
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:04,720
told him he's got until midnight our

4200
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:08,000
time i i checked the rules because i've

4201
02:30:12,389 --> 02:30:09,760
been busy recently

4202
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,399
and um apparently i was wrong it's

4203
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:14,479
actually until the midnight on the 31st

4204
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:17,760
so he is until midnight on the 31st

4205
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:19,840
eastern standard time

4206
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:20,960
to get his

4207
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,800
you know his recipe and but he sent it

4208
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:24,960
to you so he's he's good so yeah i've

4209
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:26,880
got it okay fantastic so if you're gonna

4210
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:28,960
send it a sandwich recipe today's the

4211
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:32,960
25th you have like six days six full

4212
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:36,160
days to send it to info denver dot com

4213
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:39,040
or tweet it at me at den of lore

4214
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:42,000
or put it in the comments of of of

4215
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:43,600
of youtube

4216
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:46,560
and and denver will get those recipes

4217
02:30:50,230 --> 02:30:48,000
done in

4218
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:50,240
great order i know i have to say one

4219
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:51,200
thing

4220
02:30:55,510 --> 02:30:53,680
uh any recipe you send

4221
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:55,520
is a final recipe like you could send

4222
02:30:58,309 --> 02:30:57,600
multiple recipes for multiple entries

4223
02:31:00,389 --> 02:30:58,319
but

4224
02:31:01,510 --> 02:31:00,399
if i get a recipe that is like okay

4225
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:01,520
denver's like okay look man they're

4226
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,439
supposed to be great without x

4227
02:31:07,910 --> 02:31:05,840
well [\h__\h] it he sent in with x you got

4228
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,920
to make that that sandwich it's it's the

4229
02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:10,479
score that that's fair can i give people

4230
02:31:14,950 --> 02:31:11,920
a hint

4231
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:14,960
no [\h__\h] peanut butter yeah i mean

4232
02:31:19,190 --> 02:31:17,520
peanut butter's okay but listen guys

4233
02:31:22,150 --> 02:31:19,200
peanut butter does not go with

4234
02:31:25,190 --> 02:31:22,160
everything maybe you think it does but i

4235
02:31:27,830 --> 02:31:25,200
don't i'm judging the sandwiches peanut

4236
02:31:28,710 --> 02:31:27,840
butter and pickles peanut butter with

4237
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:28,720
the

4238
02:31:35,429 --> 02:31:33,280
don't want it

4239
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:35,439
don't send in peanut butter with

4240
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:39,040
everything and big slices of tomatoes

4241
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:40,319
no

4242
02:31:46,389 --> 02:31:44,800
tomatoes if you want that that is a a

4243
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:46,399
pro tip hint

4244
02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:47,520
to win

4245
02:31:53,429 --> 02:31:49,680
from denver at like the 11th hour for

4246
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:53,439
this contest or at least how to not lose

4247
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:55,520
well it's it's like

4248
02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:58,000
okay here's the thing i get a

4249
02:32:00,710 --> 02:31:59,280
um

4250
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,720
i'll get a sound crispy and i'll send it

4251
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:02,640
to denver you're like [\h__\h]

4252
02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:04,160
peanut butter again

4253
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:06,640
god damn it and i like you know i have

4254
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:08,160
to deal with this i have to deal with

4255
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:15,750
doesn't matter like the thing is like

4256
02:32:20,389 --> 02:32:18,640
denver is the most even keel guy my mom

4257
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,399
who listens to this show and says chris

4258
02:32:25,990 --> 02:32:22,800
stop swearing says have more of that

4259
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:26,000
denver michael's guy on this show

4260
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:28,240
and he's telling me this [\h__\h] sucks

4261
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:29,439
like that's

4262
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:31,760
like just like the guys like peanut

4263
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:34,319
butter tomato leave it out

4264
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:36,080
you got like six days do it do it just

4265
02:32:38,150 --> 02:32:36,840
do it

4266
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:38,160
up um

4267
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,600
you sent me one the other day if it

4268
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:41,120
didn't have the peanut butter i

4269
02:32:44,469 --> 02:32:42,479
guarantee it would have won it would

4270
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:44,479
have knocked kevin kevin out of his

4271
02:32:48,790 --> 02:32:46,880
number once i don't i don't i i flat out

4272
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:48,800
said he sent in it is this

4273
02:32:53,190 --> 02:32:51,120
i can't i can't like i can make real

4274
02:32:54,070 --> 02:32:53,200
rules up on the spot as per the post

4275
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:54,080
like

4276
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,319
in via photo with a hat your shoe is a

4277
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:00,800
hat and if it's not a shooter you like

4278
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:02,960
you know without a shoe on your head it

4279
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:04,399
is disqualified like i can make that

4280
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:06,560
rule but i'm not going to we got to be

4281
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:07,920
fair we have to be fair we have to be

4282
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:09,359
fair because we we are fair and

4283
02:33:12,870 --> 02:33:10,720
benevolent

4284
02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:12,880
if we're not fair we're not anything

4285
02:33:17,750 --> 02:33:15,120
exactly exactly but you know what denver

4286
02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:17,760
you've been a fantastic sport

4287
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:20,720
i think this is the most insane contest

4288
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:23,040
ever run on any podcast ever

4289
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:25,920
it's so stupid it's cool i know

4290
02:33:30,070 --> 02:33:28,560
it's we are we are five months into this

4291
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:30,080
contest we're originally just gonna

4292
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:31,760
gonna launch it and like i'm telling

4293
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:33,600
nico we um

4294
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:37,200
i brought denver back in for uh like we

4295
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,960
have our cryptozoology updates every now

4296
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:40,800
and again from denver because he's he's

4297
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:43,439
a cryptozoologist like bigfoot water

4298
02:33:47,429 --> 02:33:45,600
monsters you name it he's he's got three

4299
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:47,439
books published

4300
02:33:52,630 --> 02:33:50,800
on the subject amazing narratives about

4301
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,640
his experiences

4302
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:54,160
and we said okay he's out in the field a

4303
02:33:58,550 --> 02:33:56,800
lot so we gotta get him well fed while

4304
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:58,560
he's out there especially since his new

4305
02:34:01,349 --> 02:34:00,399
book was out in west virginia so he's

4306
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:01,359
like

4307
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:03,120
you know a couple hours drive from his

4308
02:34:05,670 --> 02:34:04,080
home

4309
02:34:07,190 --> 02:34:05,680
so we want to make sure he's well fed

4310
02:34:08,230 --> 02:34:07,200
while out in the field

4311
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:08,240
now

4312
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:10,319
how do you get well fit sandwiches so

4313
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,240
send your [\h__\h] sandwich recipes to

4314
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:14,080
info dental floor dot com

4315
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:17,920
and you can win three books free

4316
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,240
from denver michael's signed from the

4317
02:34:25,030 --> 02:34:22,479
man himself the the myth

4318
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,040
the legend

4319
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:28,080
the the peanut butter and tomato hater

4320
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:30,800
there you go that's a good twitter

4321
02:34:33,750 --> 02:34:32,399
handle

4322
02:34:35,429 --> 02:34:33,760
there we go

4323
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:35,439
and he's been an absolute sport about

4324
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:36,800
the entire thing he's been providing

4325
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:38,319
updates on twitter

4326
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:39,760
on on

4327
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:42,240
facebook on like you name it and this is

4328
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:43,120
probably

4329
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:45,120
no matter how many

4330
02:34:51,030 --> 02:34:49,760
contests we do this is going to be like

4331
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,040
the benchmark

4332
02:34:54,650 --> 02:34:53,520
for anything we do going forward because

4333
02:34:54,860 --> 02:34:54,660
it's just that awesome

4334
02:34:57,270 --> 02:34:54,870
[Music]

4335
02:34:58,710 --> 02:34:57,280
[Laughter]

4336
02:35:01,270 --> 02:34:58,720
because denver's not that [\h__\h]

4337
02:35:02,030 --> 02:35:01,280
awesome so go check out denver's books

4338
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:02,040
at

4339
02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:04,319
amazon.com just put in denver michaels

4340
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:07,840
or go go to denvermichaels.net

4341
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:09,680
you know support the man because he's

4342
02:35:12,469 --> 02:35:10,880
he's out there

4343
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:12,479
fighting for the truth just like us but

4344
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:14,479
in a cryptozoologist

4345
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:21,270
so that that's um

4346
02:35:27,110 --> 02:35:25,990
that's think

4347
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,120
i got

4348
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,280
uh so denver i i know that you do uh

4349
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:32,399
like once this contest is done

4350
02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:33,439
we're gonna have you back on for your

4351
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:42,950
i hope

4352
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:44,469
you can't you can't see me can you see

4353
02:35:49,429 --> 02:35:45,760
me

4354
02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:53,190
like an internet travel again

4355
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:55,590
and uh kevin just said books exclamation

4356
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:57,120
point exclamation point exclamation

4357
02:36:01,349 --> 02:35:59,280
point yes yes kevin books

4358
02:36:03,190 --> 02:36:01,359
so um kevin's gonna have to step up his

4359
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:03,200
game if he wants those books god damn

4360
02:36:07,750 --> 02:36:05,760
right now next week on the show in

4361
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:07,760
denver i want you on the on the episode

4362
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:08,880
for this

4363
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:11,680
we have some amazing guests

4364
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:17,510
and it is our throwback month we just

4365
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:19,280
finished culture month

4366
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,040
in the den of lore

4367
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:24,080
um culture culture month was

4368
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:25,439
like

4369
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:28,240
absolutely mind-blowing with uh you know

4370
02:36:31,670 --> 02:36:29,920
zoe celeste west

4371
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:31,680
daughter john anthony west

4372
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:33,920
uh fabio ricci joined us last week we

4373
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:36,960
had a fun ass episode just talking about

4374
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:38,720
all kinds of [\h__\h] we found he's an

4375
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:40,319
amazing

4376
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:42,560
trump impersonator

4377
02:36:46,469 --> 02:36:43,520
and

4378
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:46,479
on

4379
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:57,520
most beloved guests for the last

4380
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,160
several months

4381
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:02,160
to just to continue discussions that we

4382
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,880
cut short due to time aka the show who

4383
02:37:08,950 --> 02:37:06,960
went over three hours and people had to

4384
02:37:12,550 --> 02:37:08,960
go to sleep or what have you

4385
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,560
um and for this coming month i wanted to

4386
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:14,160
be able to describe it to all of you

4387
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:16,800
individuals and denizens out there

4388
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:18,960
let's try i'm stalling for time to try

4389
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:21,040
and bring up this image but my laptop is

4390
02:37:23,580 --> 02:37:22,160
freezing

4391
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:23,590
god damn it

4392
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:25,520
[Music]

4393
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:27,650
listen to the music

4394
02:37:39,990 --> 02:37:37,840
[Music]

4395
02:37:42,790 --> 02:37:40,000
come on for crying out loud anyway next

4396
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:42,800
week on the show thursday at 8 30

4397
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:45,520
eastern standard time we have none other

4398
02:37:48,469 --> 02:37:46,640
than

4399
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:48,479
uh edward nightingale a dead of lore

4400
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:50,080
favorite we're going to be talking about

4401
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:52,800
the golden uh ratio

4402
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:55,200
template as it relates to the vatican

4403
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:56,720
and the knights templar

4404
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:58,240
which i know we only touched on a couple

4405
02:38:03,830 --> 02:37:59,600
of episodes

4406
02:38:07,750 --> 02:38:06,000
just let me [\h__\h]

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[Music]

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my internet is actually acting up i

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can't even bring up my my uh uh

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02:38:18,850 --> 02:38:15,120
my intern is out that's fantastic lovely

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[Music]

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one second here

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02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:30,230
okay so uh june 1st edward nightingale

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uh

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02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:34,080
june 8th rocco stucci rocky stoochie who

4416
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:37,280
if you listen to or follow the hangover

4417
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:40,160
uh we brought him on with uh uh past uh

4418
02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:43,359
guest alum um

4419
02:38:47,830 --> 02:38:45,680
scotty roberts and we discuss a lot of

4420
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:47,840
like politics this could be like a

4421
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:50,479
conspiracy heavy episode like we want to

4422
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:53,280
be able to delve into the alt-right mind

4423
02:38:56,630 --> 02:38:54,960
of what's going on in the united states

4424
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:56,640
uh

4425
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:58,240
and we'll see how that episode goes i i

4426
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:59,600
think it's gonna be like one of the most

4427
02:39:04,630 --> 02:39:01,920
riveting episodes we'll have that month

4428
02:39:07,349 --> 02:39:04,640
laird scranton the man the myth the

4429
02:39:08,790 --> 02:39:07,359
legend himself joins us june 15th

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02:39:10,790 --> 02:39:08,800
uh we're gonna be just continuing

4431
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:10,800
discussion on quebec tepe

4432
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:14,479
uh cosmology as a profession and a

4433
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:17,280
cosmological comparison as a field and

4434
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:18,319
the the

4435
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:20,240
problems he's run into and i'm also

4436
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:23,359
playing it plumbing his facebook uh

4437
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:25,600
updates for

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02:39:29,429 --> 02:39:28,399
topics of discussion and there are a lot

4439
02:39:30,790 --> 02:39:29,439
so if

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02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:30,800
if there's one episode to catch next

4441
02:39:35,750 --> 02:39:32,800
month catch that one

4442
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:35,760
on saturday june 24th this is originally

4443
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:37,920
going to be a thursday episode but uh

4444
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:41,040
charles uh has new contract which uh is

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02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:42,000
from

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02:39:45,910 --> 02:39:43,840
whatever time till eight o'clock so

4447
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:45,920
we're doing on saturday charles p o dale

4448
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:48,880
which is one of our top episodes ever

4449
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:50,160
we are going to be continuing the

4450
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:51,760
discussion on the younger impact

4451
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:55,359
hypothesis as well as uh

4452
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:58,080
just trying to avoid comet impacts as a

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02:40:02,150 --> 02:39:59,600
necessity of life

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02:40:04,230 --> 02:40:02,160
as well as the uh

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02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:04,240
royal astronomical society of canada's

4456
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:07,680
uh 2017 general assembly which myself

4457
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:10,399
and big sexy alex will be uh joining for

4458
02:40:13,750 --> 02:40:11,520
the

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02:40:15,910 --> 02:40:13,760
crater tour which we'll hopefully be

4460
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:15,920
able to have live i think with uh

4461
02:40:18,389 --> 02:40:17,040
internet the way that it is right now

4462
02:40:20,870 --> 02:40:18,399
with our youtube

4463
02:40:23,510 --> 02:40:20,880
as well as what this all means towards

4464
02:40:26,550 --> 02:40:23,520
canada's 150th birthday

4465
02:40:28,710 --> 02:40:26,560
and you know so forth uh

4466
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:28,720
charles and i finished off a full

4467
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:31,520
2 6 of uh 14 year old glenn fittick the

4468
02:40:34,550 --> 02:40:33,120
last time he was on so expect a good

4469
02:40:37,990 --> 02:40:34,560
show for that one

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02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:38,000
uh for thursday june 29th

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02:40:41,349 --> 02:40:39,040
ross

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02:40:43,429 --> 02:40:41,359
[\h__\h] hamilton

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02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:43,439
is gonna be back on the show

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02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:45,359
listen to episode nine

4475
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:47,200
just just drop whatever you're doing go

4476
02:40:50,630 --> 02:40:48,960
listen to episode nine

4477
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:50,640
because we did not really get into the

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02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,120
giants discussion or as he likes to

4479
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:55,040
mention them the uh men of renown in

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02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:57,200
north america

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02:41:01,190 --> 02:40:58,560
we're gonna be all over that subject

4482
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:01,200
like uh like oprah on a baked ham

4483
02:41:05,270 --> 02:41:04,000
can't wait or on trump on a scandal or

4484
02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:05,280
in a

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02:41:09,910 --> 02:41:06,880
for you know

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02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:09,920
jeff sessions on a non-recusal

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02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:11,359
or

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02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,640
[Music]

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02:41:21,349 --> 02:41:18,240
journalist you have to kill for whatever

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02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:21,359
reason or whatever and anyway there's

4491
02:41:26,230 --> 02:41:22,880
gonna be some crazy [\h__\h] going down that

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02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:26,240
episode so [\h__\h] tune in june 29th

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02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:27,520
uh we have not

4494
02:41:31,110 --> 02:41:30,080
released the information for our masters

4495
02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:31,120
episode

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02:41:35,270 --> 02:41:32,960
uh although i do know this person who is

4497
02:41:37,429 --> 02:41:35,280
coming on may be

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02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:37,439
one of the top mysticists in all of

4499
02:41:39,910 --> 02:41:38,720
north america that's all i'm going to

4500
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:39,920
say right now

4501
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:42,800
we're going to go very deep in terms of

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02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:45,439
mysticism magic

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02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:47,120
self-initiation

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02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:48,479
you name it

4505
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:50,080
so that that'll be announced to our

4506
02:41:54,389 --> 02:41:52,720
masters soon uh as you all know that

4507
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:54,399
we're gonna be having uh

4508
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:56,560
a master's episode this saturday around

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02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:59,920
11 to 1 p.m eastern standard time i'll

4510
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:01,040
be releasing the information to the

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02:42:05,670 --> 02:42:03,200
masters uh within the next day or so

4512
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:05,680
depending on what my wife needs me to do

4513
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:08,240
for yard work etc that day but we will

4514
02:42:11,270 --> 02:42:09,840
make sure it will happen in terms of a

4515
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:11,280
presentation for you ladies and

4516
02:42:15,270 --> 02:42:12,880
gentlemen

4517
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:15,280
that is the end of my announcements for

4518
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:16,720
the day nico

4519
02:42:21,990 --> 02:42:19,760
big sexy nico hello how are you doing

4520
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:22,000
i'm doing well thank you

4521
02:42:27,190 --> 02:42:23,120
how did you find your first time in the

4522
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:27,200
la in the den um i found it was uh

4523
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:30,080
pretty exciting um

4524
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:32,000
i think i did a lot more well i know i

4525
02:42:35,990 --> 02:42:34,000
did a lot more listening than i did

4526
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:36,000
talking it was kind of surreal uh you

4527
02:42:40,070 --> 02:42:38,160
know yesterday gordon white was

4528
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:40,080
someone whose books i read and someone

4529
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,479
who's podcast i listened to and today i

4530
02:42:45,190 --> 02:42:44,000
heard him say my name so that was kind

4531
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:45,200
of exciting

4532
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:46,399
um

4533
02:42:52,389 --> 02:42:49,040
i think maybe i'd like to come back

4534
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:52,399
if i'm invited and i think i

4535
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:55,600
have uh some more listening to do um you

4536
02:42:59,110 --> 02:42:57,359
know you have many episodes that uh i

4537
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:59,120
have not listened to really i've only

4538
02:43:03,270 --> 02:43:00,640
i've only listened to your zoe west

4539
02:43:04,790 --> 02:43:03,280
episode uh sort of preparation for for

4540
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:04,800
being invited here

4541
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,840
um

4542
02:43:11,270 --> 02:43:08,720
but i like your show

4543
02:43:13,270 --> 02:43:11,280
okay now it is uh uh looking at denver

4544
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:13,280
michael's here who who was on our skype

4545
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:14,240
page

4546
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:16,080
is he not the most sexy individual from

4547
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:17,680
virginia you've ever seen in your life

4548
02:43:23,590 --> 02:43:20,160
it's the hat it's the hell of it

4549
02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:23,600
the cabela's hat

4550
02:43:28,950 --> 02:43:26,800
chicks dig cabela's hats oh my god

4551
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:28,960
ladies and gentlemen this has been

4552
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:31,760
episode 39 for the end of lore

4553
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:34,479
um i have to say to all of you people

4554
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:37,359
and denver is uh sorry kevin

4555
02:43:41,830 --> 02:43:39,920
from nebraska saying y'all keep sending

4556
02:43:44,230 --> 02:43:41,840
in that peanut butter oh my god he's

4557
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:44,240
trying to sabotage the competition

4558
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,710
enough with the peanut butter already

4559
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:52,960
yeah this is the show is interactive

4560
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:55,520
this is why i love this show because

4561
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:57,760
i get to comment

4562
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:59,359
on our youtube listeners as the show

4563
02:44:03,910 --> 02:44:01,680
happens now uh denver i gotta say write

4564
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:03,920
out flat out you're an amazing guy thank

4565
02:44:08,389 --> 02:44:06,000
you very much for being part of the show

4566
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:08,399
and for for enriching our lives because

4567
02:44:12,710 --> 02:44:09,840
honestly the den of war would not be

4568
02:44:14,630 --> 02:44:12,720
what what it is without you being

4569
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:14,640
like straight up it's it's like you know

4570
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:16,960
denver michael's den of lore it's

4571
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:18,560
it's part and parcel people expect

4572
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:21,359
denver and that beautiful face of his

4573
02:44:24,150 --> 02:44:23,279
i appreciate that

4574
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:24,160
i

4575
02:44:49,750 --> 02:44:48,319
no guest mode

4576
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,760
and denver thank you very much for

4577
02:44:53,750 --> 02:44:51,600
joining us today

4578
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:53,760
yeah thank you for having me okay so i'm

4579
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:56,160
gonna play your favorite outro music

4580
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:57,359
i think

4581
02:45:17,590 --> 02:44:58,399
possibly

4582
02:45:23,110 --> 02:45:21,030
this is a song called hex from uh forgot

4583
02:45:24,389 --> 02:45:23,120
forget the whale

4584
02:45:37,670 --> 02:45:24,399
they sound like a hipster band but

4585
02:45:42,790 --> 02:45:40,230
all right that's pretty [\h__\h] driving

4586
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:42,800
so ladies and gentlemen next week this

4587
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:44,880
time 8 30

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02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:49,840
eastern 7 30 central 5 30 mountain 4 30

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02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:52,319
pacific

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02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:53,439
7 30

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02:45:58,389 --> 02:45:54,240
sorry

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02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:58,399
8 30 eastern 7 30 central

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02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,359
6 30 mountain 5 30

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02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:03,279
pacific we're going to have them with

4595
02:46:08,830 --> 02:46:05,600
none other than the man himself

4596
02:46:13,429 --> 02:46:08,840
edward [\h__\h] nightingale on the

4597
02:46:14,790 --> 02:46:13,439
show to discuss some heavy ass [\h__\h]

4598
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:14,800
i've had a little bit too much scotch

4599
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,560
tonight i think but that's fine because

4600
02:46:20,469 --> 02:46:18,399
this is the whole show

4601
02:46:22,150 --> 02:46:20,479
this is the den of war i am chris george

4602
02:46:27,060 --> 02:46:22,160
zuger your host

4603
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:39,670
[Music]

4604
02:47:15,360 --> 02:46:52,860
oh

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02:49:19,349 --> 02:47:41,330
[Music]

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02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:27,410
run

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02:49:27,420 --> 02:49:31,269
[Music]

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02:49:31,279 --> 02:49:34,730
so